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-Removed-I am so glad that you are finally being called out for attempting to reduce every single issue to one of personalities, justice at last. The forum has risen up to expunge your trolling ways, Amen to that! Now lets see if you can actually address the points that are being raised. Here they are again,
If you lack these qualities (virtue etc.) then you are blind in your calling and election into Gods Kingdom is unsure.
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Originally posted by Rajk999God says not me who is saved, those He saves are saved they will not turn
But its not the way the churches preach it. You need more than just a proclamation of faith.
Apostle Peter advises this method:
[i]And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith [b]virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godline ...[text shortened]... u lack these qualities then you are blind your calling and election into Gods Kingdom is unsure.[/b]
back, they will not make sin their master they will serve Him. The Lord of
Hosts knows His own, and they know Him, those that reject God, those that
turn away will hear the words, "I never knew you." those that deny God
will be denied. The Lord is the Good Shepard, He saves the lost, and will not
lose any who belong to Him, He is faithful. He is faithful, none of us are
worthy by our own efforts, I cannot make God love me by efforts, I will
obey Him, because it is what should be done, but He alone can clean
me from my sin. We without a doubt need to obey the Word of God, and
follow the leading of God's Spirit.
Kelly
Originally posted by Rajk999I'm afraid you are giving personal opinions on how Christians should live
If I presented a personal opinion of how Christians should live then personal questions about my life would be relevant and appropriate. However since I presented a quote from the apostle Peter without any personal bias then your line of questioning is obviously a diversionary tactic.
their lives, you just told a bunch of people 'how to'. Granted you went to
scripture, but we all go to scripture, you share how it should be looked at
and then turn around and tell everyone who holds a different point from
you that YOU, cannot be questioned, to do so is to question scripture as you
have done in several different posts.
I tend to agree with you on almost all your points, but the thing that bugs
me is that you are very legal in your approach, it does not seem like you
care about people here except to tell them how they are doing it wrong.
The greatest two commandments are to love God and each other, all the
other stuff will just happen if we do those.
Kelly
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Originally posted by KellyJay'Get away from me you workers of lawlessness' - Jesus Christ. Is that legalistic or sentimental?
I'm afraid you are giving personal opinions on how Christians should live
their lives, you just told a bunch of people 'how to'. Granted you went to
scripture, but we all go to scripture, you share how it should be looked at
and then turn around and tell everyone who holds a different point from
you that YOU, cannot be questioned, to do so is to questio ...[text shortened]... nts are to love God and each other, all the
other stuff will just happen if we do those.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayPeter is giving his opinion on how Christians should live.
I'm afraid you are giving personal opinions on how Christians should live
their lives, you just told a bunch of people 'how to'. Granted you went to
scripture, but we all go to scripture, you share how it should be looked at
and then turn around and tell everyone who holds a different point from
you that YOU, cannot be questioned, to do so is to questio ...[text shortened]... nts are to love God and each other, all the
other stuff will just happen if we do those.
Kelly
I quoted Peter. I guess you did not realise that.
By the way Christ said the same thing.
So did James and John
Paul did as well but Christians keep ignoring it.
If you think I am giving my own personal opinion then kindly quote what I said that Peter did not in the Bible say.
Originally posted by KellyJayThis is what is called a personal opinion.
God says not me who is saved, those He saves are saved they will not turn
back, they will not make sin their master they will serve Him. The Lord of
Hosts knows His own, and they know Him, those that reject God, those that
turn away will hear the words, "I never knew you." those that deny God
will be denied. The Lord is the Good Shepard, He saves the lo ...[text shortened]... We without a doubt need to obey the Word of God, and
follow the leading of God's Spirit.
Kelly
What I said comes directly from the Bible.
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Originally posted by Rajk999The passage only underscores that FORGIVENESS is not the end goal of God's salvation. He did not save us for forgiveness's sake and not other. He desires a realm of government to exercise His divine kingship.
But its not the way the churches preach it. You need more than just a proclamation of faith.
Apostle Peter advises this method:
[i]And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith [b]virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godline ...[text shortened]... u lack these qualities then you are blind your calling and election into Gods Kingdom is unsure.[/b]
Like many passages it emphasizes that a God's government is the goal down the road from FORGIVENESS.
Peter says that "in this way the entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will be RICHLY and BOUNTIFULLY supplied to you."
This is like having a graduation with honors as opposed to a graduation only after summer school, make up tests, disciplinary detention. Such a student enters into graduation but poorly so. The diligent student enters into graduation richly so.
First Corinthians chapter three speaks of Christians being examined byChrist as to whether they should receive a reward or suffer loss in the age immediately following His return - the millennial kingdom age.
The believer who is rewarded has gained entrance into Christ's kingdom richly and bountifully[.
The believer who was saved, yet so as through fire had an entrance not so rich and not so bountiful. This was not because of any shortage in the Lord. But this was because of shortsightedness and immaturity on the believer's part.
He will be saved, yet he will suffer loss. He himself will be saved yet so as through fire. Peter's exhortation is that we would not be saved yet so as through fire but have an entrance into the eternal kingdom of Christ richly and bountifully supplied. This is normal whereas the former is abnormal.
From being born again the man enters into the kingdom. The millennial kingdom is a continuation of that eternal kingdom. And of course after the thousand years the eternal kingdom continues in the eternal age of the new heaven and new earth.
Peter wants the believers to enter richly into the millennial kingdom after having their past sins forgiven. So he teaches the attributes coming out of abiding in the Lord which will not fail to provide a rich and bountiful entrance.