Originally posted by twhitehead OK, a Muslim lunch?
[b] or the church of Scientology, it is a gathering in the park And I clearly stated 'Church of Scientology gathering'. It could also be in the park, and could also include lunch.
where free food is being handed out to hungry kids I notice you are punting the 'hungry kids' message a little too much. These are not poo ...[text shortened]... u would not let your own children attend a similar function held by another religion. Hypocrite.[/b]
So would you object if Muslims or the Church of Scientology did exactly the same thing with a lunch in the park where your kids go to school and you were not in a position to stop your children going to the lunch?
If I am not in the position to stop them, then what is the point? It would not be my first choice. I would not try to stop Muslims or the Church of Scientology however from having lunch, of course not... they would be having free lunch and giving it to hungry kids.
But this is not about me.
You have honestly stated that you are so PC that you would not let your own children attend a similar function held by another religion. Hypocrite.
I think you misused the term PC.
Whether the kids are saving money, are hungry, starving (your words not mine) what does it matter... they are getting a free lunch. Some mothers are doing a nice thing.
Originally posted by yoctobyte I came across this article regarding several women hosting a Jesus Lunch in Middleton Wisconsin. What are your first impressions?
Originally posted by yoctobyte If I am not in the position to stop them, then what is the point?
Well if you can't watch your kids all the time, maybe another solution is to stop the people
preaching to them?
I would not try to stop Muslims or the Church of Scientology however from having lunch, of course not... they would be having free lunch and giving it to hungry kids. Including your kids?
But this is not about me. I see you and Robbie think alike. It is actually about everyone, including you. It is about whether or not you support the religious freedom you are demanding for yourself when it comes to other religions.
I think you misused the term PC. I think you do too.
Whether the kids are saving money, are hungry, starving (your words not mine) what does it matter... they are getting a free lunch. Some mothers are doing a nice thing. No, bribing kids with lunch in exchange for being allowed to preach to them is not 'a nice thing'. It is a dishonest thing.
A genuinely nice thing, would be to give money to the genuinely poor and genuinely most needy in society. And even better would be to elect in a more socialist government.
No, the mothers in question are targeting kids because they believe they are vulnerable to being manipulated.
Originally posted by twhitehead Well if you can't watch your kids all the time, maybe another solution is to stop the people
preaching to them?
[b]I would not try to stop Muslims or the Church of Scientology however from having lunch, of course not... they would be having free lunch and giving it to hungry kids. Including your kids?
But this is not about me. I see y ...[text shortened]... rs in question are targeting kids because they believe they are vulnerable to being manipulated.[/b]
I see you and Robbie think alike. It is actually about everyone, including you. It is about whether or not you support the religious freedom you are demanding for yourself when it comes to other religions.
Hmmm, not sure what your point is here, my comment was...
"I would not try to stop Muslims or the Church of Scientology however from having lunch, of course not... they would be having free lunch and giving it to hungry kids."
If those other organizations want to give free lunches to hungry kids, than by all means. Religious freedom, absolutely. BTW, I have demanded nothing for myself.
Originally posted by yoctobyte "I would not try to stop Muslims or the Church of Scientology however from having lunch, of course not... they would be having free lunch and giving it to hungry kids."
If those other organizations want to give free lunches to hungry kids, than by all means. Religious freedom, absolutely. BTW, I have demanded nothing for myself.
So just to be clear, you would not object to your own kids going to free lunches hosted by Muslims or the Church of Scientology?
Originally posted by yoctobyte Your opening remark was clearly negative, a lunch that the "pharisees might enjoy", with a undertone no less. No worries, appreciate the comments.
Never mind him. He's in the habit of criticizing Christians no matter what they do, even though he claims to be one himself.
Originally posted by yoctobyte John 13:34-35 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”
Yes, this is why I claim his motto is "Do as I say, not as I do" because he claims that Christians must follow Jesus' commandments, but he does not follow this particular one. He has nothing but enmity for other Christians. This is the same failure Robbie shows, when he claims that Christians who are not JWs are no Christians at all.
Originally posted by yoctobyte I came across this article regarding several women hosting a Jesus Lunch in Middleton Wisconsin. What are your first impressions?
The main reason this is news at all is because the school is claiming that the public park is a part of their campus. They claim that the group cannot proselytize there because of the separation of church and state. The fact is that this is a public park and the school has no business proscribing what goes on there. They rent a portion of the park for school activities, but that doesn't make this public park school property. If the school were serious about stopping this, all they have to do is close the campus during the lunch periods. But then, they'd be the "bad guys", and they're intent on making this group the "bad guys".
Originally posted by yoctobyte I came across this article regarding several women hosting a Jesus Lunch in Middleton Wisconsin. What are your first impressions?
I skim read the article. First, the website is biased, this isn't a criticism per say, it's just it's a Christian site and is reporting it from that point of view, is there a secular site also reporting the story? I ask because the Christian site may be leaving out a detail which alters the assessment. Second, even if the park is not part of the school campus, it is a public park, does the First Amendment apply to activities in public parks? Third, is the state supporting this? If they are doing this with their own money then that removes one possible objection. However, if they can do it then every religious group can which could render the park unusable to everyone else. Based on the article it's not really the school's business, but the park authority might want to consider whether they can allow this.
Originally posted by DeepThought I skim read the article. First, the website is biased, this isn't a criticism per say, it's just it's a Christian site and is reporting it from that point of view, is there a secular site also reporting the story? I ask because the Christian site may be leaving out a detail which alters the assessment. Second, even if the park is not part of the schoo ...[text shortened]... he school's business, but the park authority might want to consider whether they can allow this.
Here's an excerpt that'll give you a better idea of "the rest of the story". It's the site for the Madison Wisconsin newspaper of which Middleton is a suburb if I recall correctly. Good call on being leery of the WND site. Anyone interested in the truth of the matter should read the article in its entirety.
Last week, Middleton Superintendent Don Johnson sent an email to parents and students asking them to “remain calm and understanding” as the controversy gained attention. The lunches were first organized on school grounds until district officials asked them on several occasions to move elsewhere because the religious gathering violated school policy. Parents settled in Fireman’s Park in fall 2015.
The park is located right next to Middleton High School. It’s owned by the city and is considered a public space, but the school has a 16-year agreement with the city to lease the space so school rules apply there during the school day.
Last week, school administrators were seen in a video setting up cones at Fireman’s Park to block parents from hosting the lunch. Middleton principal Steve Plank and Superintendent Johnson were seen discussing the issue with Melissa Helbach, a parent and one of the organizers of Jesus Lunch. Helbach ignored the requests of school officials and proceeded with the event.
Rabbi Bonnie Margulis, a religious leader in the community whose son attends Middleton, said she attended the lunch to support the separation of church and state. She said the lunches have made non-Christian students feel uncomfortable and, on numerous instances, her son asked her to pick him up from school early because he and other students have been taunted and harassed. Margulis said she feels all religions should be able to practice their beliefs, but Jesus Lunch parents should follow rules and not hold it on school property.
Originally posted by Suzianne The main reason this is news at all is because the school is claiming that the public park is a part of their campus. They claim that the group cannot proselytize there because of the separation of church and state. The fact is that this is a public park and the school has no business proscribing what goes on there. They rent a portion of the park for sc ...[text shortened]... ds. But then, they'd be the "bad guys", and they're intent on making this group the "bad guys".
Originally posted by yoctobyte This is not a mosque or the church of Scientology, it is a gathering in the park where free food is being handed out to hungry kids who are coming of their own accord and a message is being shared, that is it. I am a Christian and believe in spreading the good news of the gospel. Why would I allow my kids to eat at a Mosque of the Church of Scientology? ...[text shortened]... ther. 35 By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”
I think you are missing a couple points Jesus made.
- The message of the gospel is not to be forced upon anyone., least of all children
- Being a Good Samaritan means helping the needy, not helping the needy provided they listen to the gospel.
Originally posted by Suzianne I read it and it doesn't change the facts of what I posted. The park is not school property just because the school claims it is.
The article ThinkOfOne cited says the school has a lease on the park, this is good enough. The school policy applies.
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