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    15 Apr '18 17:01
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    When he was in heaven with God after he ascended he WAS STILL UNDER GOD.
    Read the first chapter in the Gospel of John.

    “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    The same was in the beginning with God.

    All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

    In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

    And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

    There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

    The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

    He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

    That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

    He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

    He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

    But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

    Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

    And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

    John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.

    And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

    For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

    No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.”

    (John 1:1-18)
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    15 Apr '18 17:02
    Originally posted by @romans1009
    Read the first chapter in the Gospel of John.

    “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    The same was in the beginning with God.

    All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

    In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

    And the light shineth in darkness; and ...[text shortened]... only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.”

    (John 1:1-18)
    And yet Jesus said that

    GOD IS GREATER

    Should I believe you or John or Jesus.

    Hmmmmmmmmmmm ....
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    15 Apr '18 17:12
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    And yet Jesus said that

    GOD IS GREATER

    Should I believe you or John or Jesus.

    Hmmmmmmmmmmm ....
    Jesus also identified Himself as God. There are numerous verses in another thread on that.
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    15 Apr '18 17:13
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    Not interested in anything unless it is from Jesus Christ.
    Jesus is the way, the truth and the light.
    Christians think that means the profess your faith and thats it.
    But they ignore all of His teachings and commandments
    Jesus will kick all you good for nothing mouth worshipers out.

    So tell me what Jesus Christ said.
    God said ... [b].. this is by be ...[text shortened]... you are a goat
    or a wolf in sheep's clothing
    because you do not preach the doctrine of Christ.
    "Not interested in anything unless it is from Jesus Christ."

    Narrow minded bigot, Isaiah 44:6 and Revelation 22:13 are both from Jesus Christ. Direct quotes from the mouth of the LORD.

    Capital L, capital O, capital R, capital D. You know what that means don't you?

    What's the matter with you? It's so clear you'd have to be blind not to see it.

    That must be it. You're blind.
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    15 Apr '18 17:19
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    And yet Jesus said that

    GOD IS GREATER

    Should I believe you or John or Jesus.

    Hmmmmmmmmmmm ....
    "Should I believe you or John or Jesus."

    If you took the time to actually study the Bible on your own you'd learn who Jesus really is, but if you keep needing a nursemaid like the watchtower to tell you what to believe you'll never understand The Truth.
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    15 Apr '18 17:46
    Originally posted by @romans1009
    Jesus also identified Himself as God. There are numerous verses in another thread on that.
    Show me one.
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    15 Apr '18 17:50
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    Show me one.
    You can find the thread as easily as I can.
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    15 Apr '18 17:51
    Originally posted by @secondson
    [b]"Should I believe you or John or Jesus."

    If you took the time to actually study the Bible on your own you'd learn who Jesus really is, but if you keep needing a nursemaid like the watchtower to tell you what to believe you'll never understand The Truth.[/b]
    Jesus is not interested in Bible scholars,
    neither in bible experts
    Neither in Greek Language PhDs
    Neither in anyone being able to figure out all the intricacies of
    Himself, God, the Angels, or life itself,
    Those are the preoccupation of the church

    Jesus is interested only in one thing
    your ability to follow his commandments
    That and that alone determines who enters the Kingdom of God
    Read Matt 25.
    All those who pursue after good works will enter the Kingdom of God

    Christians who have BOTH FAITH AND GOOD WORKS
    Are the elect of God, a chosen people, the Saints
    The sheep of Christ, the ones that nobody can deceive.
    Nobody can pluck them out of His hand
    These are the special people who rule with Christ.

    Get that in your church brains.
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    15 Apr '18 17:55
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    Jesus is not interested in Bible scholars,
    neither in bible experts
    Neither in Greek Language PhDs
    Neither in anyone being able to figure out all the intricacies of
    Himself, God, the Angels, or life itself,
    Those are the preoccupation of the church

    Jesus is interested only in one thing
    your ability to follow his commandments
    That and that alone ...[text shortened]... His hand
    These are the special people who rule with Christ.

    Get that in your church brains.
    One of Jesus’ commandments, which He frequently repeated, was to believe in His deity and that He was the promised Messiah.

    You reject that command.
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    15 Apr '18 17:57
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    Jesus is not interested in Bible scholars,
    neither in bible experts
    Neither in Greek Language PhDs
    Neither in anyone being able to figure out all the intricacies of
    Himself, God, the Angels, or life itself,
    Those are the preoccupation of the church

    Jesus is interested only in one thing
    your ability to follow his commandments
    That and that alone ...[text shortened]... His hand
    These are the special people who rule with Christ.

    Get that in your church brains.
    <<Jesus is interested only in one thing
    your ability to follow his commandments>>

    Wrong. Jesus is interested in your heart.

    “But the Lord said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart.”

    (1 Samuel 16:7)
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    15 Apr '18 18:06
    Originally posted by @romans1009
    One of Jesus’ commandments, which He frequently repeated, was to believe in His deity and that He was the promised Messiah.

    You reject that command.
    Got a referenxe ?
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    15 Apr '18 18:08
    Originally posted by @romans1009
    <<Jesus is interested only in one thing
    your ability to follow his commandments>>

    Wrong. Jesus is interested in your heart.

    “But the Lord said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart.”

    (1 Samuel 16:7)
    .. Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire,
    prepared for the devil and his angels:
    For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat:
    I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
    I was a stranger, and ye took me not in:
    naked, and ye clothed me not:
    sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. ..
    And these shall go away into everlasting punishment:
    but the righteous into life eternal.
    (Matthew 25:41-46 KJV)
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    15 Apr '18 18:28
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    .. Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire,
    prepared for the devil and his angels:
    For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat:
    I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
    I was a stranger, and ye took me not in:
    naked, and ye clothed me not:
    sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. ..
    And these shall go away into everlasting punishment:
    but the righteous into life eternal.
    (Matthew 25:41-46 KJV)
    “A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.”

    (Luke 6:45)

    You still don’t get that man’s sin nature prevents him from being righteous and it’s only by accepting and believing in Jesus Christ and His Resurrection in his heart that his heart and behavior change.
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    15 Apr '18 18:29
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    Got a referenxe ?
    You ought to know them, but since nothing I post ever sinks in to your head and heart, I’ll only identify one when I have nothing else to do.
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    15 Apr '18 18:34
    Originally posted by @romans1009
    You ought to know them, but since nothing I post ever sinks in to your head and heart, I’ll only identify one when I have nothing else to do.
    Got nothing then.
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