Jesus wants some people damned

Originally posted by @eladar
Romans 9

Are you a hyper-Calvinist?

Why would the Bible say "...do not harden your heart" if we had no choice?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Are you a hyper-Calvinist?

No but does Romans 9 talk about God's choice not ours?

Originally posted by @eladar
No but does Romans 9 talk about God's choice not ours?

Do you think Romans 9 should be interpreted independently of all other scripture?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Do you think Romans 9 should be interpreted independently of all other scripture?

What scripture is in conflict?

Originally posted by @eladar
What scripture is in conflict?

No scripture is in conflict with Romans 9 but rather with your interpretation of it that we have no choice. Did you just blank out the all the scriptures that indicate that we do have a choice? Also if you take away free will, how do you explain the existence of evil?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
No scripture is in conflict with Romans 9 but rather with your interpretation of it that we have no choice. Did you just blank out the all the scriptures that indicate that we do have a choice? Also if you take away free will, how do you explain the existence of evil?

Pleasr quote the scriptures you think conflict with what I am saying.

Originally posted by @eladar
Pleasr quote the scriptures you think conflict with what I am saying.

First quote the exact words from Romans 9 that you think mean none of us have a choice.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
First quote the exact words from Romans 9 that you think mean none of us have a choice.

I never said that. I said some of us have no choice and it is possible no one has a choice.

Read the entire chapter.

Originally posted by @eladar
I never said that. I said some of us have no choice and it is possible no one has a choice.

Read the entire chapter.

Some of us have no choice to do what? Obey God? Harden our hearts?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Some of us have no choice to do what? Obey God? Harden our hearts?

You'd call it free will. Some of us are predestined for hell others for eternal life.

Originally posted by @eladar
You'd call it free will. Some of us are predestined for hell others for eternal life.

1. To be clear, by 'predestined for hell' do you mean to say that some were damned to hell before they were born and could do nothing about their own fate?

2. Would you consider the possibility that you were 'predestined for hell?'

Originally posted by @dj2becker
1. To be clear, by 'predestined for hell' do you mean to say that some were damned to hell before they were born and could do nothing about their own fate?

2. Would you consider the possibility that you were 'predestined for hell?'

Yes and yes all to the glory of God.

-Removed-

Who are we to judge?

I am saying how many are predestined but some. That is beyond question. My question is stiol unanswered. What scripture is there for free will?