Jesus wants some people damned

Originally posted by @eladar
Evidently Peter hadn't heard what Jesus said about why he taught in parables.

If Jesus wanted everyone saved why not make everyone the elect?

You DO understand what free will is, yes?

Originally posted by @eladar
You can disagree with Jesus all you like. Jesus gave the reason not me.

He's not disagreeing with Jesus, you moron, he's disagreeing with your thoughtless mischaracterization of what Jesus said.

Big difference.

But you Bible worshippers do this all the time. You think your interpretation of scripture is always correct and inerrant. The Word of God is inerrant, not the words of Eladar.

Originally posted by @suzianne
You DO understand what free will is, yes?

Did Pharaoh have free will or did God harden his heart?

Originally posted by @divegeester
Don't dodge, tell the truth. You were incoherent with alcohol on here last night weren't you?

I somehow don't think alcohol is his biggest problem.

Originally posted by @suzianne
He's not disagreeing with Jesus, you moron, he's disagreeing with your thoughtless mischaracterization of what Jesus said.

Big difference.

But you Bible worshippers do this all the time. You think your interpretation of scripture is always correct and inerrant. The Word of God is inerrant, not the words of Eladar.

Here is what Jesus said and I believe him.

This is why I speak to them in parables:

“Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand.
14 In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:

“‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
15 For this people’s heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.’[a]

Originally posted by @eladar
Here is what Jesus said and I believe him.

This is why I speak to them in parables:

“Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand.
14 In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:

“‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
15 For this people’s heart h ...[text shortened]... hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.’[a]

Now give us your warped mischaracterization of what YOU think Jesus is saying here.

Originally posted by @suzianne
Now give us your warped mischaracterization of what YOU think Jesus is saying here.

You want the truth, take it at face value.

He taught in parables so that they would not understand and turn to be forgiven.

Originally posted by @eladar
Did Pharaoh have free will or did God harden his heart?

Both!

Originally posted by @rbhill
Both!

Really? What scripure states Pharaoh had free will?

Originally posted by @eladar
Don't dodge the question? Did you forgive him or did you enjoy it?

Well there it is....gluttony and drunkenness. I suspect you have, or have had, homosexual tendencies also.

Originally posted by @suzianne
I somehow don't think alcohol is his biggest problem.

Agreed, gluttony is.

Originally posted by @divegeester
Agreed, gluttony is.

I take it you liked it.

Originally posted by @eladar
He said he didn't want them to know the truth and repent.

Again I see your words not His.

Originally posted by @eladar
Really? What scripure states Pharaoh had free will?

Do you not have free will? Was Pharaoh not human like you?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Again I see your words not His.

I guess that's because you are too blind to see. I'll quote the exact words again.

Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.’[a]