12 Jul 07
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneOur focus is to be on God, not the things of this world. If our focus is on this world instead of God, we run the risk of losing the gift of redemption and eternal life. I think that is what Jesus meant when he said that passage.
"He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal."
What do you think Jesus meant by this?
12 Jul 07
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneI think it is a mistake to excerpt a single verse of Scripture out of context and ask people to comment
"He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal."
What do you think Jesus meant by this?
on 'it.'
This verse is preceded and extensively followed by 'predictions' of Jesus' Passion, and it immediately
follows after the 'grain of wheat' aphorism -- that is, one of sacrifice of one for the good of the many.
So, it is about being sufficiently detached from the world to recognize that to lose one's life for a
righteous cause is a just calling worthy of Divine recognition (and reward), and to avoid righteousness
just to 'stay alive' only postpones the inevitable (death) and lives a vapid existence.
The sort of ascetic viewpoint endorsed by this writing is why many scholars consider this Gospel to
be 'proto-Gnostic.'
Nemesio
12 Jul 07
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneIf thou lovest Me, turn away from thyself; and if thou seekest My pleasure, regard not thine own; that thou mayest die in Me and I may eternally live in thee.
"He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal."
What do you think Jesus meant by this?
(Baha'u'llah, The Arabic Hidden Words)
12 Jul 07
Originally posted by Ruppster1At what point is our focus no longer on God? Do you see a clear dividing line?
Our focus is to be on God, not the things of this world. If our focus is on this world instead of God, we run the risk of losing the gift of redemption and eternal life. I think that is what Jesus meant when he said that passage.
12 Jul 07
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Originally posted by NemesioIs it about being willing to 'lose one's life for a righteous cause' or about righteous living?
I think it is a mistake to excerpt a single verse of Scripture out of context and ask people to comment
on 'it.'
This verse is preceded and extensively followed by 'predictions' of Jesus' Passion, and it immediately
follows after the 'grain of wheat' aphorism -- that is, one of sacrifice of one for the good of the many.
So, it is about being sufficie writing is why many scholars consider this Gospel to
be 'proto-Gnostic.'
Nemesio
12 Jul 07
Originally posted by VarqaSeems like Baha'u'llah might have understood a thing or two 🙂
If thou lovest Me, turn away from thyself; and if thou seekest My pleasure, regard not thine own; that thou mayest die in Me and I may eternally live in thee.
(Baha'u'llah, The Arabic Hidden Words)
12 Jul 07
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneAs with most cryptic proto-Gnostic references in John, Jesus was secretly revealing his affinity with Eastern Philosophies and the necessity of those who wish to be saved to abandon their worldly shells and ascend to a higher plane of existence.
"He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal."
What do you think Jesus meant by this?
12 Jul 07
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneI think it akin to Pual's teaching in Galations 6:8. "For he that sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he that sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap life everlasing."
"He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal."
What do you think Jesus meant by this?
I believe the verse in question is Matthew 10:39. If you notice the verses before Jesus is saying that he that loves father or mother or brother etc. more than me is not worthy of me and then calls them to take up their cross and follow him. Then the verse following that says that he that seeks to save his life will loose it. It is my interpretation that Christ is saying that if you love your life more than me, which may cost you your life, then you are not worthy of me. For me, it is akin to the commandment of loving your God above all others and above all else including your own being.
12 Jul 07
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Originally posted by ThinkOfOneIn a nut shell it means that it is absolutely in one's best self interest to follow Jesus Christ. That's the short version.
"He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal."
What do you think Jesus meant by this?
Don't be deceived. The way of the greatest happiness is in following Jesus.
That's what it basically means. And it is true.
12 Jul 07
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Originally posted by blakbuzzrdI saw Matthew 24:9. Now let's hear it from someone who underwent these kinds of persecutions and killing and see what he has to say - Paul:
That's not what Jesus said. He said that if you followed him you'd get your ass kicked repeatedly, and maybe even fatally.
See, for example, Matthew 24:9.
"Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation or anguish or persecution or famine or nakedness or peril or sword? ... But in all these things we more than conquer through Him who loved us.
For I am persuaded that niether death nor life nor angels nore principalities nor things prewent nor things to come nor powers nor height nor depth nor any other creature will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." (See Romans 8:35 - 39).
God does not allow His saints to undergo more than they are prepared to handle by His grace. Some will have to face persecution as you pointed out. But the power of Christ's resurrection life causes them to be more than conquerors.
How trustworthy would the gospel be if there had not been outragous opposition against it through the centries. The persecutions have not caused the faith to die. And the power and approvedness of the truth has been manifested in the face of terrible attack.
This testimony has strengthened our confidence in the gospel of Christ and not weakened it. And Jesus Himself said:
"These things I have spoken to you that in Me you may have peace. In the world you have affliction, but take courage; I HAVE OVERCOME THE WORLD" (John 16:33)
(my emphasis)