Originally posted by @fmfYou’re still trying to encapsulate salvation into a one-size-fits-all mathematical formula. Not how it works.
Will it be enough if the Christian who needs more time only does 'good works' in the last few seconds of their life?
FMF: And if a Christian does not do 'good works' or does not do enough 'good works', their belief in Christ will not "save" them, right?Are you sure? If a Christian does not do 'good works' or does not do enough 'good works', their belief in Christ will "save" them anyway, is this what you mean?
Originally posted by @romans1009
Wrong, because good works is not the method by which someone is saved.
Originally posted by @romans1009And yet you asked the following on another thread:
You’re again trying to break salvation down to some sort of one-size-fits-all mathematical formula. Everyone’s faith journey is unique. One new Christian may immediately start doing good works; another may require more time.
"If good works were required for salvation, would a just God not say how many good works are needed? What’s the value of one type of good work vs. another?"
So would a "just God not say how many" seconds are needed? Or how many good works are needed?
You keep arguing both sides of contrary positions depending on when it suits you. Evidently you're too prideful to take a hard look at your position.
Originally posted by @romans1009Don't worry about how my intellect is dealing with the things you are claiming; just answer the question:
You’re still trying to encapsulate salvation into a one-size-fits-all mathematical formula. Not how it works.
Will it be enough ~ in your view, and as far as you know ~ if the Christian who needs more time only does 'good works' in the last few seconds of their life?
Originally posted by @romans1009So, if I may ask, 24 hours ago you started posting about now, and you then posted through the night?
Interesting debate. Going to bed but will probably pick this up again tomorrow at some point
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Originally posted by @romans1009Actually it isn't. You keep talking around in circles without considering what you've said or what other have said to you. It's unfortunate that you're too prideful to admit it. If you're a teen, then that's okay. It can take time to develop critical thinking skills. If you're not a teen, then you really need to take a hard look at yourself.
Interesting debate. Going to bed but will probably pick this up again tomorrow at some point
<So would a "just God not say how many" seconds are needed? Or how many good works are needed?>
That’s a ridiculous comparison. Because good works are not required for salvation, God, who is just, does not specify how many are needed to obtain salvation because it’s irrelevant.
Because everyone’s faith journey is unique, and God meets and works with people at their own level, God does not adopt a one-size-fits-all quantity of seconds that must not elapse before a good work is performed.
Originally posted by @fmfThat’s actually correct
So, if I may ask, 24 hours ago you started posting about now, and you then posted through the night?
Originally posted by @thinkofoneIf you would slow down and consider what I’m saying, instead of being overly eager to argue, you might gain a better understanding of what I’m saying.
Actually it isn't. You keep talking around in circles without considering what you've said or what other have said to you. It's unfortunate that you're too prideful to admit it.
Just slow down and take a deep breath. Quiet your mind.
Originally posted by @romans1009You're the one who asked these questions on another thread:
<So would a "just God not say how many" seconds are needed? Or how many good works are needed?>
That’s a ridiculous comparison. Because good works are not required for salvation, God, who is just, does not specify how many are needed to obtain salvation because it’s irrelevant.
Because everyone’s faith journey is unique, and God meets and works with ...[text shortened]... pt a one-size-fits-all quantity of seconds that must not elapse before a good work is performed.
"If good works were required for salvation, would a just God not say how many good works are needed? What’s the value of one type of good work vs. another?"
And now that you're asked similar questions, you call it a "ridiculous comparison"? Seriously?
Originally posted by @fmfThat’s really a determination for God, is it not? God looks on and judges the heart and knows if someone is truly saved. I don’t have that ability.
Don't worry about how my intellect is dealing with the things you are claiming; just answer the question:
Will it be enough ~ in your view, and as far as you know ~ if the Christian who needs more time only does 'good works' in the last few seconds of their life?
Originally posted by @thinkofoneI was illustrating the absurdity of believing good works are necessary for salvation.
You're the one who asked these questions on another thread:
"If good works were required for salvation, would a just God not say how many good works are needed? What’s the value of one type of good work vs. another?"
And now that you're asked similar questions, you call it a "ridiculous comparison"? Seriously?
Did you really need that explained? That wasn’t obvious to you?
Originally posted by @romans1009You clearly think you have the ability to declare yourself already "saved". And yet you also say that such things are really "a determination for God". You say that judging the heart and deciding who is "saved" is something for God and that you don't have the ability to do that. But, then again, you DO apparently have the ability to declare yourself already "saved".
That’s really a determination for God, is it not? God looks on and judges the heart and knows if someone is truly saved. I don’t have that ability.
Originally posted by @romans1009One Gospel doesn't mention the incident. This is interesting when you consider how crucial you seem to believe the incident is.
No, the thief who expressed faith in Christ’s divinity was sincere. The other thief was mocking Christ and was rebuked for doing so by the sincere thief. Just Google it.
Two Gospels depict the scene as one of open mockery.
And one Gospel illustrates the mockery.
Three Gospels don't support this key piece of your theology. And the fourth Gospel only supports it if you project things onto the incident that your ideology compels you to, and which are not supported by the other three Gospels.
You have not addressed this yet.