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Originally posted by rwingettThats what the rest of the world says about American beer .. its like sex in a canoe ... 😀
Swill. Barely fit for human consumption. 😞
Originally posted by duecerCan you give me an example of a doctrinal debate over the Trinity stemming from a conflict of variants ?
I've read some similar commentaries, and they agree that the "variants" are helpful in deducing the original intent. The fact remains though that so many errors in scribing, etc... leads to bickering over things like trinity doctrines, etc...
Originally posted by Rajk999The rest of the world doesn't know squat about American beer as my recent discussions with friends in Germany proved. Hell they don't even know their own beer.
Thats what the rest of the world says about American beer .. its like sex in a canoe ... 😀
Originally posted by UllrThat's what I'm talkin' about! I'll take a Breakfast Stout from Founders Brewery in Michigan against any beer in the world! USA! USA! USA!
The rest of the world doesn't know squat about American beer as my recent discussions with friends in Germany proved. Hell they don't even know their own beer.
If you're talking American beer between prohibition and the 1970's you'd be correct. But since the 70's the number of American breweries rose from a mere 44 to almost 2,000. Now we've got a plet ...[text shortened]... es anywhere in the world.
And Rwingett is right. The stuff you're drinking is swill.
Originally posted by UllrHave either you or Rwingett been to Trinidad?
The rest of the world doesn't know squat about American beer as my recent discussions with friends in Germany proved. Hell they don't even know their own beer.
If you're talking American beer between prohibition and the 1970's you'd be correct. But since the 70's the number of American breweries rose from a mere 44 to almost 2,000. Now we've got a plet ...[text shortened]... es anywhere in the world.
And Rwingett is right. The stuff you're drinking is swill.
Originally posted by Rajk999You compared it in taste to Corona. I know Corona is swill. If your Trinidad beer is similar to Corona, then it too is swill. If you want to use an alternate descriptor, then I may alter my opinion. If you stand by the comparison then I know all I need to know.
Have either you or Rwingett been to Trinidad?
If not, than you cant really taste local beer.
Beer has a short very shelf life often less than 3 months and tasting Carib (an most lagers for that matter) when it has been exported under hot conditions destroys the taste.
So if neither of you have been here then your opinion of local beer is worth Jack$hit.
...[text shortened]... distant second place to the average European beer, in my opinion. But its all a matter of taste.
Originally posted by rwingettYou win.
You compared it in taste to Corona. I know Corona is swill. If your Trinidad beer is similar to Corona, then it too is swill. If you want to use an alternate descriptor, then I may alter my opinion. If you stand by the comparison then I know all I need to know.
Originally posted by duecer========================
sahidic coptic text vs. greek text vs latin vulgate
Originally posted by jaywill1. The greek and coptic text do not completely agree
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sahidic coptic text vs. greek text vs latin vulgate
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That is three translations. I would like to know specifically what disagreement over the Trinity was derived from the variations in these three translations?
I don't know the answer to that question. I thought you might.[/b]
Originally posted by duecerIt is also the case that some apparently "doctrinal" squabbles are at the heart really not about doctrine.
1. The greek and coptic text do not completely agree
2. this is further aggravated by disagreements in the translation of coptic and greek texts themselves
3. the latin vulgate contains trinitarian verses that do not appear in either the greek or coptic texts. I think the vulgate may be the least reliable.
Having said that, I believe that there is suffic ...[text shortened]... ok to the apostolic tradition of the church. Obviously Thomas the Apostle thought Jesus was God.
Originally posted by jaywillabsolutely. Some cases have been legitimate doctrinal differences (Martin Luther), and others have not. John Wesley wasn't booted from the Episcopal church, but the Episcopal church didn't like that he had gathered so much clout among the working class. This lead to the eventual split (after his death), and then again the church of the nazarene split off from the methodists over minor doctrinal differences.
It is also the case that some apparently "doctrinal" squabbles are at the heart really not about doctrine.
Doctrine is sometimes an excuse. The root problem is ambition for leadership. Someone does not want to submit to someone else. Someone does not want to "play second fiddle" to someone else.
Someone feels that they are worthy of better things the ...[text shortened]... was the root of the contraversy.
And probably sometimes its a little bit of both.