Knowing vs. discovering

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Does it occur to you that there are two other options
[1. not "to seek to discover" at all and 2. to actually know: "I know Him in whom I have believed"]?

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And this presumption is yours alone.

I said, "One either knows or one does not know." Clearly, if the "knower" is wrong, then he does not know, and can thus not really be called the "knower". But even so, most of the presumption lies in those who would make themselves his judge.

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divegeester, as a professed believer in Christ, do you know with absolute certainty that you've been given eternal life as a grace gift; are in relationship with God; will live in heaven in His presence for eternity or are you in doubt of your salvation?

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
divegeester, as a professed believer in Christ, do you know with absolute certainty that you've been given eternal life as a grace gift; are in relationship with God; will live in heaven in His presence for eternity or are you in doubt of your salvation?

Does "doubt" threaten the chance of "salvation", in your view?

Originally posted by FMF
Does "doubt" threaten the chance of "salvation", in your view?

"salvation" is a point in time event at which the Holy Spirit gives spiritual life; His work is permanent. "doubt" suggests lack of confidence due to inadequate teaching of God's Word. All new believers require food; all growing believers require food.

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Replied to FMF's post thinking it was yours. Must get a stronger pair of drugstore glasses.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
"salvation" is a point in time event at which the Holy Spirit gives spiritual life; His work is permanent. "doubt" suggests lack of confidence due to inadequate teaching of God's Word. All new believers require food; all growing believers require food.

The question was: Does "doubt" threaten the chance of "salvation", in your view?

If it does not affect it, why is it relevant?

You have told me in the past that I am "saved" and cannot undo this fact, even though I do not believe in the divinity of Christ and I am not a Christian. You explained that 'at a moment in time' I did believe, and that I was irrevocably "saved" at that time.

If disbelief is not barrier to "salvation", in your view, what possible significance could "doubt" have?

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No. Learn to read.

I'm saying that being brought up in a culturally Jewish family means that you are likely to make statements that fit in your Jewish cultural background, even if you don't believe in the Jewish religion any more.

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Have a little more faith, and believe in what the Lord has revealed to you. He doesn't lie, and He's not really in it just for the lulz you know.