1. Standard memberKellyJayonline
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    Revelation 19:20
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    And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur.

    Revelation 20:10
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    and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

    Revelation 20:14
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    Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.

    Revelation 20:15
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    And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

    Why is it that some think some will be tormented day and night forever
    and ever and others will not be if they are thrown into the lake of fire?
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    19 Oct '16 15:20
    Several reason's why eternal torment seems hard to believe.

    1. Burns cause terrible pain. Could a loving god subject one of his creations to this forever? It would seem that even the worst person would eventually paid the price for his sins.

    2. Assuming you make it and a loved one does not, could you truly happy knowing they were in this eternal torment?

    3. Even if a condemned person cannot ever be redeemed wouldn't a merciful god simply eliminate that person's spirit rather than eternal torture?
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    19 Oct '16 15:23
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    Revelation 19:20
    English Standard Version
    And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur.

    Revelation 20:10
    English Standard Versi ...[text shortened]... day and night forever
    and ever and others will not be if they are thrown into the lake of fire?
    "Why is it that some think some will be tormented day and night foreverthe former
    and ever and others will not be if they are thrown into the lake of fire?"

    Maybe the "torment" types of people are imagining what might happen to other people, and the "not-torment" types of people are imagining what might happen to themselves.
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    19 Oct '16 15:561 edit
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    Why is it that some think some will be tormented day and night forever
    and ever and others will not be if they are thrown into the lake of fire?
    Put a firebrick into the flames an open fire. Take it out after a few minutes. You will note that the brick is not damaged in the slightest.

    Now stick your head in.
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    19 Oct '16 16:341 edit
    Originally posted by bob58
    Several reason's why eternal torment seems hard to believe.

    1. Burns cause terrible pain. Could a loving god subject one of his creations to this forever? It would seem that even the worst person would eventually paid the price for his sins.

    2. Assuming you make it and a loved one does not, could you truly happy knowing they were in this eternal tormen ...[text shortened]... eemed wouldn't a merciful god simply eliminate that person's spirit rather than eternal torture?
    So not due to any text just your opinion of how God should behave according your personal views?
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    19 Oct '16 16:40
    Originally posted by JS357
    "Why is it that some think some will be tormented day and night foreverthe former
    and ever and others will not be if they are thrown into the lake of fire?"

    Maybe the "torment" types of people are imagining what might happen to other people, and the "not-torment" types of people are imagining what might happen to themselves.
    So the punishment should not occur because it would make others feel bad?
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    19 Oct '16 16:44
    Originally posted by Rank outsider
    Put a firebrick into the flames an open fire. Take it out after a few minutes. You will note that the brick is not damaged in the slightest.

    Now stick your head in.
    Except we were already informed people would suffer for ever and ever. There isn't a question people would last.
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    19 Oct '16 17:45
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    So the punishment should not occur because it would make others feel bad?
    So why should the punishment occur then?
    Why should it be eternal?
    Why should it be a punishment of unimaginable torturous horror?
    Why would Jesus and his angels be standing and spectating (this scripture all your torture lovers conveniently leave out of your rhetoric)?
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    19 Oct '16 17:50
    Originally posted by divegeester
    So why should the punishment occur then?
    Why should it be eternal?
    Why should it be a punishment of unimaginable torturous horror?
    Why would Jesus and his angels be standing and spectating (this scripture all your torture lovers conveniently leave out of your rhetoric)?
    The 'lake of fire' is clearly an ancient (human) concept intended to scare people into religious obedience. It has nothing whatsoever to do with an all loving God. Indeed, if God exists, i'm certain the notion would be an abomination to Him.
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    19 Oct '16 17:58
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    Except we were already informed people would suffer for ever and ever. There isn't a question people would last.
    Where exactly do your quotes say that people will suffer forever and ever?

    I can't see any reference to this.
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    19 Oct '16 18:05
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    So not due to any text just your opinion of how God should behave according your personal views?
    So far, I can only see your opinion that the impact of fire on a human body must be the same as on an immortal supernatural being such as the devil.

    Do you have any support for this, or does it just accord with how you think God should behave?
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    19 Oct '16 18:111 edit
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    Revelation 19:20
    English Standard Version
    And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur.

    Revelation 20:10
    English Standard Versi ...[text shortened]... day and night forever
    and ever and others will not be if they are thrown into the lake of fire?
    Why was hell created by God?
    Why is it needed?
    When was it created?
    Where is hell situated considering it is eternal?
    As hell is eternal I guess it wasn't created...so has always existed?
    Why do you think Jesus and his angels will be watching the horror?
    When you are playing with the baby tigers and lambs in heaven will you share a thought for the billions of people screaming to Jesus for mercy while he watches the suffering?
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    19 Oct '16 18:17
    Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
    The 'lake of fire' is clearly an ancient (human) concept intended to scare people into religious obedience. It has nothing whatsoever to do with an all loving God. Indeed, if God exists, i'm certain the notion would be an abomination to Him.
    So you think God who you deny is real wouldn't punish eternity eternal beings. The belief about what men would do does not really matter since if true only what God would do matters.
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    19 Oct '16 18:28
    Originally posted by JS357
    "Why is it that some think some will be tormented day and night foreverthe former
    and ever and others will not be if they are thrown into the lake of fire?"

    Maybe the "torment" types of people are imagining what might happen to other people, and the "not-torment" types of people are imagining what might happen to themselves.
    Well there is only one way to find out for sure.
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    19 Oct '16 18:29
    Originally posted by bob58
    Several reason's why eternal torment seems hard to believe.

    1. Burns cause terrible pain. Could a loving god subject one of his creations to this forever? It would seem that even the worst person would eventually paid the price for his sins.

    2. Assuming you make it and a loved one does not, could you truly happy knowing they were in this eternal tormen ...[text shortened]... eemed wouldn't a merciful god simply eliminate that person's spirit rather than eternal torture?
    Why does a loving God permit pain at all?

    Shouldn't that be the question?
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