Originally posted by HalitoseYou know I'm talking about the Christian God and I know you're just being coy. While there may not be a scriptural reference for this simplistic saying (I haven't bothered to look) it is, no doubt, used by many fundamentalists as a ridiculous, meaningless mantra.
What I meant was: Which God are you talking about? Where does He say so?
The Christian God is not [b]only love, but also just...[/b]
Originally posted by darvlayWhile there may not be a scriptural reference for this simplistic saying (I haven't bothered to look) it is, no doubt, used by many fundamentalists as a ridiculous, meaningless mantra.
You know I'm talking about the Christian God and I know you're just being coy. While there may not be a scriptural reference for this simplistic saying (I haven't bothered to look) it is, no doubt, used by many fundamentalists as a ridiculous, meaningless mantra.
I agree with you. God's love is ridiculous when divorced from His justice. Its a paradox in duality...
Originally posted by HalitoseGod's "Justice" is not just at all. It's sadism. The white man's burden has always been to spread the message of God to everyone but the fact remains many will die before ever even hearing the Word of God. Those people will be "Left Behind" when the time comes to suffer through the apocalypse. Is that just? Is that love? No, it's neither. It's lunacy and it's senseless.
I agree with you. God's love is ridiculous when divorced from His justice. Its a paradox in duality...
In the eyes of a "just" God, if anyone should be blamed for the billions of people around the world not serving Christ, it's the Christian who hasn't passionately followed the teachings of Christ to go out and make fishers of men, not those who are unknowingly ignorant of his teachings. Instead, you're playing chess on the internet and pushing paper so that you can send your kids to college. Shame on you.
Originally posted by darvlayIs that "just by your standards?
God's "Justice" is not just at all. It's sadism. The white man's burden has always been to spread the message of God to everyone but the fact remains many will die before ever even hearing the Word of God. Those people will be "Left Behind" when the time comes to suffer through the apocalypse. Is that just? Is that love? No, it's neither. It' ...[text shortened]... hess on the internet and pushing paper so that you can send your kids to college. Shame on you.
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Is that "just" by God's standards?
I'm not inclined to say that if somebody hasn't heard of Jesus in as many words then they are confined to hell. God reveals himself to each person individually and each person is responsible for his/her own decisions; God will judge us on our decisions based on how much he has revealed himself to us.
I don't say by this that other religions are then God's alter ego revealing himself to others. There are clear inconsistancies and incompatibilities with Christ.
Originally posted by HalitoseYou must be aware that there is not one monolithic view in Christianity. You should accept that fact and save yourself the time used to defend views that you really don't hold.
Is that "just by [b]your standards?
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Is that "just" by God's standards?
I'm not inclined to say that if somebody hasn't heard of Jesus in as many words then they are confined to hell. God reveals himself to each person individually and each person is responsible for his/her own decisions; God will judge us on our decisions based ...[text shortened]... revealing himself to others. There are clear inconsistancies and incompatibilities with Christ.[/b]
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Originally posted by frogstompSharing our views on spirituality is what this forum's about id'nit? I am aware that Christianity is not one monolithic view, and that's why I pointed out that "God is only love" doesn't hold water with my view of Him.
You must be aware that there is not one monolithic view in Christianity. You should accept that fact and save yourself the time used to defend views that you really don't hold.
If we are to go out and be Fishers of men, why wont they bite?
The reason for that is, cause they are scared to find the truth, scared to change, scared of God. It is easier for them to say no than to sit down and just think of it.
Our parents are the same, as long as you listen and do what they ask, they give you alot of love, happiness and stuff etc etc and will never punish you - BUT - once you ignore them, do what you want, say what you wanna say, do you really think they are not going to punish you???
The same goes with the law, steel, kill, rape etc etc and you go to jail. If you dont, you get to live at home.
Its the same with God's rules. The choice is yours, if you stay within God's rules and believe in Jesus Christ, the doors of heaven is open for you - but if you dont, then, hell is waiting...
Originally posted by Halitosewhen you gonna stand up for the message, I can sense that you know it's about salvation and not punishment.
Sharing our views on spirituality is what this forum's about id'nit? I am aware that Christianity is not one monolithic view, and that's why I pointed out that "God is only love" doesn't hold water with my view of Him.