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Originally posted by TerrierJackbecause you are a human being like me and thus embroiled in humanity and have opinion that is equally as valid as the next man and beacuse as Agerg correctly states,
Why condemn it? Isn't that doing something? Why should I care that JWs are being persecuted? Why would even lift my finger to sign a petition let alone engage my vocal chords (or my fingers) to condemn it? It will all work out in the end - won't it? What can the past possibly teach me? Doesn't the bible answer every question? What could I possibly l ...[text shortened]... If god doesn't want them to be persecuted then he should do something about it. Why ask me?
'This is a position of complete astonishment even from someone who is strongly averse to religion in it's many guises'
we are human beings Jack, can i do anything about the injustice of wounded knee? can i ? do i care about it, you bet your life. can i do anything about the holocaust, can I? do i care about it, you bet your life i care about it, because we are human beings that is why.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieI was astonished that you wouldn't sign a petition to save the earth (regardless of whether it would or not.) I was astonished that you spoke out against doing anything to prevent the destruction of the planet or the people on it. I am astonished that now you want me to speak out for russian JWs but you said earlier I shouldn't do a thing to help my grand-kids survive because it didn't matter, god would take care of it. Does god take care of everything except russian JWs? Are they my responsibility but the rest of humanity isn't?
because you are a human being like me and thus embroiled in humanity and have opinion that is equally as valid as the next man and beacuse as Agerg correctly states,
'This is a position of complete astonishment even from someone who is strongly averse to religion in it's many guises'
Originally posted by robbie carrobieno, Im pretty sure they said I was going to hell, all because I said I didn't want them to come back again.
maybe you misheard them, perhaps they were shouting, 'wow that was a really cool door bell, or 'were not here to sell', 'or the flowers in your garden look lovely and really smell'
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Originally posted by TerrierJacki did not sign the petition because it was political, i am a-political, not because i do not care about the earth, or try to do what is justifiably possible to save it. For example i have introduced led (light emitting diodes) spotlights in my home, with a rating of 3 watts each, i am in the process of installing a inset log burning stove, because i realise that wood is a carbon neutral fuel, where the recycling of metals and plastics exists i utilise it. i have tried on several occasions to purchase an electric vehicle, and i wish we had the resources in the u.k. to convert, i would not hesitate for a minute. if i need to take a short ride, i bike it, rather than take the car, if i could get away with not driving i would, you getting the picture Jack, simply because i believe that ultimately earth's problems shall be solved through divine intervention, does not mean that i dont care or am not prepared to do what i can.
I was astonished that you wouldn't sign a petition to save the earth (regardless of whether it would or not.) I was astonished that you spoke out against doing anything to prevent the destruction of the planet or the people on it. I am astonished that now you want me to speak out for russian JWs but you said earlier I shouldn't do a thing to help my gra f everything except russian JWs? Are they my responsibility but the rest of humanity isn't?
Incidentally my father has built a wind turbine, but because of planning regulations at the moment its difficult to install these things, hopefully in the future it may change. 🙂
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieSorry - that doesn't cut this with me - what is more political than complaining about someone's treatment at the hands of a government? When people tell me they are apolitical I take that to mean they are only interested in their political problems. You can't be half-political - it is like being half-pregnant. Either you are a responsible citizen (and therefore involved politically) or you are the problem. If all of us were involved, the ability of these despots to single out individuals or groups for persecution would be greatly curtailed. General silence is the lubrication for the engines of oppression. Your oppressors love your apolitical stance. They depend on it. When they do come for you, will someone outside of your group hear your screams? Why should they if you didn't hear the least?
i did not sign the petition because it was political, i am a-political, not because i do not care about the earth, or try to do what is justifiably possible to save it. For example i have introduced led (light emitting diodes) spotlights in my home, with a rating of 3 watts each, i am in the process of installing a inset log burning stove, because i at the moment its difficult to install these things, hopefully in the future it may change. 🙂
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Originally posted by TerrierJackwhether it cuts with you or not Jack is your business, i have shown you, how on an individual basis i through the exercise of my own conscience am trying to do what i can. What are we as humans to do, thank the governments for the exile and the persecution, well thank you indeed, if it were not for you, we would never have gotten to Siberia, my goodness Jack, it was a simple statement of fact, with no political agenda. I have never voted in the political arena, nor will i, for it is self evident that politicians are self serving, period.
Sorry - that doesn't cut this with me - what is more political than complaining about someone's treatment at the hands of a government? When people tell me they are apolitical I take that to mean they are only interested in their political problems. You can't be half-political - it is like being half-pregnant. Either you are a responsible citizen (and ...[text shortened]... meone outside of your group hear your screams? Why should they if you didn't hear the least?
As for you assertions of whether anyone shall hear my screams, well the actions of 'my group', are clearly documented in the United States National Holocaust Museum, a fact of which i am proud, and why shouldn't i be? for when the rest of mankind was engulfed in war, rather than take up arms against another human, something for which it is not lawful for us to do, on the basis of the sanctity of life, it matters not, for it is before our God that we stand or fall, and believe me, we have full confidence that he hears.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieSo why should you ask me to worry about your brothers in russia? Why should you worry about them? Isn't that just your business (or theirs?) Or is it just god's business and doesn't concern the rest of us? It could be that if the rest of us weren't so self-serving the politicians wouldn't be either. It could be that if I thought those JWs in russia were my brothers I would care about them. I know I'd really hate to see you oppressed, brother.
whether it cuts with you or not Jack is your business, i have shown you, how on an individual basis i through the exercise of my own conscience am trying to do what i can. I have never voted in the political arena, nor will i, for it is self evident that politicinas are self serving, period.
As for you assertions of whether anyone shall hear my ...[text shortened]... before our God that we stand or fall, and believe me, we have full confidence that he hears.
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Originally posted by TerrierJackbecause it concerns humanity Jack, that's the point that Agerg was making, regardless of whether these people are our brothers or we share an affinity through some other affiliation, these things have some bearing on humanity, at least i think so.
So why should you ask me to worry about your brothers in russia? Why should you worry about them? Isn't that just your business (or theirs?) Or is it just god's business and doesn't concern the rest of us? It could be that if the rest of us weren't so self-serving the politicians wouldn't be either. It could be that if I thought those JWs in russia were ...[text shortened]... y brothers I would care about them. I know I'd really hate to see you oppressed, brother.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieAnd the big rock doesn't?
because it concerns humanity Jack, that's the point that Agerg was making, regardless of whether these people are our brothers or we share an affinity through some other affiliation, these things have some bearing on humanity, at least i think so.
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I agree with R.C. on the earth issue. I think it would be cool to be able to be self sufficient though. Solar & wind power get off the power grid would be awesome. I'm just not into tree hugging per se. I live in King county Home of the tree hugger! I think it would be nice to preserve the earth for our grandkids but there has to be balance. When the Government is telling you what trees you can cut and what you can build on your own property that is a problem.
Manny
Originally posted by menace71True but we'll all be dead within a 100 years anyways, so the main thing is to try to get to Heaven
I agree with R.C. on the earth issue. I think it would be cool to be able to be self sufficient though. Solar & wind power get off the power grid would be awesome. I'm just not into tree hugging per se. I live in King county Home of the tree hugger! I think it would be nice to preserve the earth for our grandkids but there has to be balance. When the Govern ...[text shortened]... trees you can cut and what you can build on your own property that is a problem.
Manny
Originally posted by robbie carrobieOne of these days rc, one of these days!
lol, i am a human being, it is enough Joseph, i dont believe Jesus is the incarnation primarily because i do not think that it is Biblical nor can it be established Biblically, nor have i ever believed it even when i was into occultism.