Originally posted by Rajk999david was a horny bastard and he probably written the book about him anyway. that is why god doesn't make an appearence saying it is wrong.
So God made that statement in Genesis and then later on gave David 200 wives ?
errrm are you sure it was david with the harem? wasn't it solomon?
Originally posted by ZahlanziLol ... men in power in those days had more than their fair share of women. Actually David is one of the few people that God really liked and he was an adulterer and murderer (and horny as well). He was called a man after God's own heart.
david was a horny bastard and he probably written the book about him anyway. that is why god doesn't make an appearence saying it is wrong.
errrm are you sure it was david with the harem? wasn't it solomon?
I cant find exactly how many wives David had .. I just picked 200 out of the air. I know they were many though. Yes it was Solomon with the 1000 women harem.
1 Kings 11:3 And he (Solomon) had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines:
Originally posted by ZahlanziI still find it weird how you are so ready to dismiss most of the Bible as made up but when it comes to particular parts (those surrounding Jesus) you don't show the same level of criticism. You hide behind the 'well its not disproven' phrase but wont explain why you make fun of and insult anyone who believes the old Testament in the exact same way.
david was a horny bastard and he probably written the book about him anyway. that is why god doesn't make an appearence saying it is wrong.
errrm are you sure it was david with the harem? wasn't it solomon?
And no, it is highly unlikely that David or Solomon wrote any of the books in the Bible.
Originally posted by Rajk9991Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
Im still waiting for the part of the Bible that says men must have one wife. Seems like you are in the habit of making statements you cant backup with some hard evidence.
1Ti 3:12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
Tit 1:6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
Originally posted by pritybettaObviously you lack the ability to read and understand simple English. I know those verses, and they apply to elders of the church - bishops, deacons etc. Cant you read that?
1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
1Ti 3:12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
Tit 1:6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
If Paul spoke specifically about elders of the church having one wife, it must mean that it was normal to have more than one wife. So I say it again : there is no commandment either in the OT or NT that a man must have one wife. Except of course church elders.
This is another example of people not liking the words of the Bible twisting the meaning to suit themselves.
You in particular have demonstrated over and over that you cannot interpret the Bible properly. Maybe Paul was absolutely correct in advising that women keep quiet on matters pertaining to the Bible and its interpretation. According to Paul women should :
- not speak in the church
- obey their husbands
- learn from their husbands at home
- have children
- do charitable works
- not usurp authority over men.
Take Pauls advice. Here are the verses :
1 Tim 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
1 Cor 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
Originally posted by Rajk999Do you not think that we are to fallow the examples of the elders? Are not all God's people servents?
Obviously you lack the ability to read and understand simple English. I know those verses, and they apply to elders of the church - bishops, deacons etc. Cant you read that?
If Paul spoke specifically about elders of the church having one wife, it must mean that it was normal to have more than one wife. So I say it again : there is no commandment either ...[text shortened]... thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
1Ti 3:12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
deacons:
G1249
διάκονος
diakonos
dee-ak'-on-os
Probably from διάκω diakō (obsolete, to run on errands; compare G1377); an attendant, that is, (generally) a waiter (at table or in other menial duties); specifically a Christian teacher and pastor (technically a deacon or deaconess): - deacon, minister, servant.
You talk about twisting scripture, though you do it yourself. You are wrong that Paul spoke of women keeping quiet on matters pertaining to the Bible and it's interpretation. If women were to keep quiet on matters pertaining to the Bible and it's interpretations then why are they to teach the children? Women are told not to teach the man(their husband), but to learn in silence. They are not told that they can not speek of the Word at all.
Originally posted by pritybettaSeriously?
Do you not think that we are to fallow the examples of the elders? Are not all God's people servents?
1Ti 3:12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
deacons:
G1249
διάκονος
diakonos
dee-ak'-on-os
Probably from διάκ&# ...[text shortened]... ut to [b]learn in silence. They are not told that they can not speek of the Word at all.[/b]
You worship a God who seems to think that you (as a woman) have absolutely nothing to teach your husband when it comes to the contents of your magic book?
The only possible explanation for this is that your god thinks you are not as smart as your husband...and you worship this god...perhaps he's right...damn.
Originally posted by TheSkipperIf my husband is to learn anything it is because the Lord has granted him understanding, same as if I learn anything. The Lord put forth order for the home and the church. That does not mean that the woman is any less smart as the man. To teach is to be in athority, and the wife is not to be the athority of the man, Christ is the athority of the man. Therefore, the man is the athority of the woman. That is why the wife is not to teach the man. However, the man can learn from the wife through her behavior.
Seriously?
You worship a God who seems to think that you (as a woman) have absolutely nothing to teach your husband when it comes to the contents of your magic book?
The only possible explanation for this is that your god thinks you are not as smart as your husband...and you worship this god...perhaps he's right...damn.
1Pe 3:1 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;
1Pe 3:2 While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.
conversation:
G391
ἀναστροφή
anastrophē
an-as-trof-ay'
From G390; behavior: - conversation.
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Originally posted by pritybettaAre you allowed to share your ideas with your husband about the understanding God has granted you about the Bible? What if your husband dissagrees?
If my husband is to learn anything it is because the Lord has granted him understanding, same as if I learn anything. The Lord put forth order for the home and the church. That does not mean that the woman is any less smart as the man. To teach is to be in athority, and the wife is not to be the athority of the man, Christ is the athority of the man. Ther ...[text shortened]... #959;φή
anastrophē
an-as-trof-ay'
From G390; behavior: - conversation.
Can you explain to me what the point of this "order" is? I have no such rules in my house and my wife and I are doing great, I know many many families within which wives share (at least) equal authority with their husbands. What is the point of this "order" if it is demonstrably not necessary?
If your husband insisted that after speaking to God he was convinced that you must bury your life savings under a rock in the Nevada desert, never to return, would you do it? What is the limit of this authority that your husband enjoys over you? Can you disobey him? What if he is crazy? Can you get angry with him? Are you allowed to withhold sex if you are mad at him for something? Are you sure you aren't more of a pet who happens to be capable of raising human children?
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I have more questions for pritybetta...
Are you allowed to teach men other than your husband about the Bible...me for instance?
Can you go to lunch with a man without your husband being present?
Is there an issue or aspect of your life that your husband does not enjoy dominion over you in? Do you have the final say in the raising of your kids, for example? Basically, I'm looking for an instance in which you can tell your husband "no" without sining.
Originally posted by TheSkipperI did not say she could not share her ideas with her husband, infact she is told to ask her husband at home. If my husband dissarees with what I think then he will explain to me why he believes as he does and I will check what he sais against the Word to see if he is right. If he is not then I ask him using the Word if what he thinks is inline with it. And I do not expect an answer right away because he may need to study and pray on it first. I do not try to 'teach' him why what he thinks is wrong. I leave it up to the Lord to show him and give him understanding on the matter.
Are you allowed to share your ideas with your husband about the understanding God has granted you about the Bible? What if your husband dissagrees?
Can you explain to me what the point of this "order" is? I have no such rules in my house and my wife and I are doing great, I know many many families within which wives share (at least) equal authority wi ...[text shortened]... Are you sure you aren't more of a pet who happens to be capable of raising human children?
The order is so that there are no conflicts that may cause them to sin in anger when they dissagree. If a husband ask the wife what she thinks on certain matters, it does not give the wife authority. What is to happen lies soully on the man and if he harkens unto his wife it is not because she has authority over him.
If my husband watted to bury our life savings under a rock never to return, I would do it, for materal things are of the world. The limit of authority my husband has over me stops if he is to want me to do something that is sin or against the Lord. Why would I dissobey him if what he ask is not something that is against the Lord? The Bible never says I can not get angry at him. No, I will not withhold sex from him because if I do then what says he will not go elsewhere? If a wife wants to punish her husband then she is asurping authority over him and that is against the Lord. Yes, I am sure I am more than a pet who happens to be capable of raising children because my husband loves me as Christ loves the church and gave himself for it.
Eph 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
Eph 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
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Originally posted by TheSkipperI do not try to teach other men, I ask questions with scripture or state what I believe. If they learn anything it is because the Lord gave them understanding.
I have more questions for pritybetta...
Are you allowed to teach men other than your husband about the Bible...me for instance?
Can you go to lunch with a man without your husband being present?
Is there an issue or aspect of your life that your husband does not enjoy dominion over you in? Do you have the final say in the raising of your kids, f ...[text shortened]... asically, I'm looking for an instance in which you can tell your husband "no" without sining.
No, I do not have lunch with other men without my husband, I would not put myself in the position where anyone could say I am doing something I shouldn't.
I put myself under him, that is the final say that I have. I can tell my husband "no" if he ask something of me that is against the Lord.
For example, if he is to ask me to lieth with a woman or another man, I can say "NO" for that is against the Lord.
And no, he has not asked me to do this.