This thread has made me horny. Perhaps if WWindmill and pritybetta could post some pictures of themselves, I would be able to discover who is to blame for this sin area in my life.
BTW, josephw...the best women in the world don't need to be defended by any man. Check it out, you'll see that I'm right.
Originally posted by twhiteheadi suspend reason in certain areas that have certain conditions and are not grossly contradicted by reasonable explanations.
Of course everyone seems to think that the 'stupid people' are everyone except themselves. Of course you abandon your reasoning ability when it comes to your own beliefs.
There really is no difference between someone who believes that the world was inundated by a global flood (via a miracle) and someone who believes that a person died and rose again thre ...[text shortened]... further think that people like you who wont admit that you are doing so, are being dishonest.
the noah flood is grossly contradicted. where did kangaroos and other animals that didn't book seats on the ark hide to survive? how did the sweet water fish survive? what happened to the plants? how did the animals on the ark managed to restore their population?
i suspend reason in assuming a creator made the universe while i have no proof in this matter. the scientific method doesn't assume a concept to be true until it is proven.
jesus rising from the dead is not even such an absurd concept. people declared dead have made a miraculous recovery. in england (i think) there is a research facility where they drain the blood from pooches, freeze them and resurrect them hours, even days after. this coupled with the fact jesus is the son of god leads to a not so great leap of faith. of course i am not making science. no doctor declared jesus dead and no scientist monitored his resurrection. but it is much more probable to be true than a old dude and his tree sons and their wives breeding like rabbits. and making the blacks descend from one of them
Originally posted by ZahlanziWhich part of 'miracle' do you not understand? Is God capable of doing all that or not? Surely a being that can create a universe can arrange something as trifling as a flood on one of the billions of billions of planets he created?
The noah flood is grossly contradicted. where did kangaroos and other animals that didn't book seats on the ark hide to survive? how did the sweet water fish survive? what happened to the plants? how did the animals on the ark managed to restore their population?
jesus rising from the dead is not even such an absurd concept.
It is if you take it to be miraculous. You seem to be rather unsure as to whether it was or wasn't.
but it is much more probable to be true than a old dude and his tree sons and their wives breeding like rabbits. and making the blacks descend from one of them
I don't know how you did your probability calculation, but be honest now and admit that it is highly improbable for either scenario to be true.
If you call creationists stupid for believing in something highly improbable, then you must consider yourself less stupid, but stupid nevertheless.
Originally posted by twhiteheadoh so he created billlions and billions of planets and managed to finely tune the laws of the universe so that one day he would wipe the mean humans with a flood and the animals who were so sinful. so you admit he could bend the laws of the universe as he sees fit. so the lord of the universe instead of simply wishing the humans out of existence, he makes it rain for 40 days and makes noah build an ark and then makes the bunnies and noah piss all over genetic laws and makes them restore their population. not to mention punishing ham by making him black and decreeing all his descendents will be justly slaves to the mighty white man.
Which part of 'miracle' do you not understand? Is God capable of doing all that or not? Surely a being that can create a universe can arrange something as trifli
ng as a flood on one of the billions of billions of planets he created?
[b]jesus rising from the dead is not even such an absurd concept.
It is if you take it to be miraculous. You seem ...[text shortened]... ing highly improbable, then you must consider yourself less stupid, but stupid nevertheless.[/b]
this is on one hand.
on the other hand you have a person who may be the son of god (not proven and not disproven) who rose from the dead(not proven but not disproven and resurrections have happened, see the british dogs) who may or may not have risen to heaven(which can be a metafor but you don't seem to get those).
you are so right, the second concept is exactly as ludicrous as the first.
the laws of the universe are simple. so if there is a creator he likes simple things, things that work. yet you tell me noah's flood is as believable as jesus rising from the dead, a possibility nobody has ever dis proven.
you call yourself a freethinker? you are as sunstruck as a creationist loony who calls his bible a science book. neither of you are able to look at the facts and admit the possibility of being wrong.
Originally posted by ZahlanziOr rather you simply wont admit that your beliefs are as ridiculous as a creationists. you can throw in your 'not proven and not disproven' as much as you like, the fact is that your beliefs defy all known science in the extreme. You also pretend that it has been 'proven' that there was no worldwide flood etc yet that is not the case at all. There is plenty of very convincing evidence that it did not take place - but there is equally convincing evidence that Sons of God do not walk around the earth resurrecting themselves.
you call yourself a freethinker? you are as sunstruck as a creationist loony who calls his bible a science book. neither of you are able to look at the facts and admit the possibility of being wrong.
Originally posted by WWindmillI see we're up to post # 143 and I'd say nothing has been "gotten straight". As usual, one poor sinful human simply cannot "clear up" the mysteries of God.
The Bible is simply people's over-active imaginations which started in the creation of the world and a wwflood which never happened as anyone with half a brain can verify through science which finds NO EVIDENCE of a wwflood which would easily be found.
From there the next person came along and added to the information the last one was given until we en ...[text shortened]... ntasy called Jesus who in his super-powers defeated death so the world would become saved. LOL.
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Originally posted by forkedknightI think Christians can be very dangerous people. That is what I think. I think they lust for power and try to create a world that is proportional to their illogical reasoning in their ancient beliefs and the very little that they have learnt in life.. I think they spend their days thinking they are a big asset to the world but fail to see the harms that they impose on others.
Have you had time to think it through? I'm interested in what you have to say if you think for more than a minute or two before responding.
Edit: This isnt really the topic of the thread is it?
Originally posted by ZahlanziO.K. So what about his entire life..
i suspend reason in certain areas that have certain conditions and are not grossly contradicted by reasonable explanations.
the noah flood is grossly contradicted. where did kangaroos and other animals that didn't book seats on the ark hide to survive? how did the sweet water fish survive? what happened to the plants? how did the animals on the ark manag ...[text shortened]... e sons and their wives breeding like rabbits. and making the blacks descend from one of them
He says to a tree that isnt bearing fruit to die and it does. He gets touched on his rob and 'the power' drains out of him and turns to see a women healed from a life-long period. He breaks a couple of loaves of bread and few fish and feeds 500 people. He raises another man from the dead. Making demons leave people's bodies. Turning water into wine at a wedding..
It is one big fairytale with lie after lie.
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Originally posted by WWindmillAnyone you describe like this would be dangerous. Don't limit it to 'Christians'.
I think Christians can be very dangerous people. That is what I think. I think they lust for power and try to create a world that is proportional to their illogical reasoning in their ancient beliefs and the very little that they have learnt in life.. I think they spend their days thinking they are a big asset to the world but fail to see the harms that they impose on others.
Edit: This isnt really the topic of the thread is it?
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Originally posted by WWindmillSo it's fake, a lie. So what? You don't get anything out of it regardless. So?
O.K. So what about his entire life..
He says to a tree that isnt bearing fruit to die and it does. He gets touched on his rob and 'the power' drains out of him and turns to see a women healed from a life-long period. He breaks a couple of loaves of bread and few fish and feeds 500 people. He raises another man from the dead. Making demons leave people's ...[text shortened]... bodies. Turning water into wine at a wedding..
It is one big fairytale with lie after lie.