Let's say there is no Christ...

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
[b]a)"im a little confused. in your hypothetical question are we to imagine that christ has never existed."

Yes. OP premise asserts His existence within the faith/belief clusters of some.
Thread seeks to explore alternative possibilites if, in fact, He doesn't.

b)"and we have always known this,"

No. Premise also establishes that t ...[text shortened]... Day One in Eden. Long term, eternal consequences of getting it wrong are horrific.
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i dont think the nap helped. youre making even less sense than before.

Originally posted by Agerg

1) You want me to name the humans that I trust!? 2) Do you think you would know them??? 😕

[1) Yes. 2) Of course not. That silly propsition would contribute nothing and, in the process, violate RHP TOS.

Please get used to thinking rationally and categorically within the contextual parameters of the conversation.

Note: Time for a farm boy breakfast, prepared by and served by one for one at a table for one. (lol)
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Originally posted by stellspalfie

i dont think the nap helped. youre making even less sense than before.

Chew on it while I deal with a bad boy omelette, some crispy center cut bacon and grilled corn muffins which are threatening to get cold. Ok.
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Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
[b][1) Yes. 2) Of course not. That silly propsition would contribute nothing and, in the process, violate RHP TOS.

Please get used to thinking rationally and categorically within the contextual parameters of the conversation.

Note: Time for a farm boy breakfast, prepared by and served by one for one at a table for one. (lol)
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Ok, I trust Anna - my mother, Albert - my father, Alan - my little brother, Adam - my bigger brother, Audrey - my sister, and Antoinne - my uncle.
All the humans that I trust - no different to the humans I trusted before we established "Christ" doesn't exist.

Now...What do you gain from me listing these humans who I claim to trust? 😕

Originally posted by Agerg

Ok, I trust Anna - my mother, Albert - my father, Alan - my little brother, Adam - my bigger brother, Audrey - my sister, and Antoinne - my uncle.
All the humans that I trust - no different to the humans I trusted before we established "Christ" doesn't exist.

Now...What do you gain from me listing these humans who I claim to trust? 😕

Oh, Ag, why must you perist in being quite

so myopic? You've believed in these people

long before a spirituality forum thread titled,

"Let's say there is no Christ..." was launched.

Please hide your mouse. Take a walk. Think.


:'(

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Oh, Ag, why must you perist in being quite

so myopic? You've believed in these people

long before a spirituality forum thread titled,

"Let's say there is no Christ..." was launched.

Please hide your mouse. Take a walk. Think.


:'(

Perhaps it is you that needs to think because there seems to be no sense in your enquiry.
Given that lists of humans people trust don't make it into your set of permissible answers then...

if I'm not a theist - and so I don't believe "Christ" exists then your set of permissible answers contains either non-human creatures or non-sentient objects. On the other hand,...
if I was a theist and we'd established "Christ" didn't exist I would arbitrarily have to pick some other magical character to render your set of permissible answers bigger than the set directly above.

So what exactly are you trying to accomplish? In particular, what are we non-theists supposed to reply with!? 😕


Would you like me to say I trust my pencil, and my iguana "Archibald"?...will that do you!?

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Do you suppose we could please get back on topic?

[b]Let's say there is no Christ...

"If so, then in whom or what would you (and your family) place your confidence and trust?"
-[/b]

1. There is no Christ
2. I trust my car to stop when I apply the brakes.
3. I trust my employer to pay me.
4. I trust my wife with my money.
5. I trust my son to do his homework.
6. I trust my dog not to go on the couch.
7. I trust RJHinds to make moronic posts
8. I trust GoogleFudge to shoot him down
9. ...


points 2 onwards are INDEPENDENT of point 1.

Now - what is your point?!?

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
You've believed in these people long before a spirituality forum thread titled,
"Let's say there is no Christ..." was launched.
Please hide your mouse. Take a walk. Think.

You think your post is going to change whom we trust? 🙄

Originally posted by wolfgang59
1. [b]There is no Christ
2. I trust my car to stop when I apply the brakes.
3. I trust my employer to pay me.
4. I trust my wife with my money.
5. I trust my son to do his homework.
6. I trust my dog not to go on the couch.
7. I trust RJHinds to make moronic posts
8. I trust GoogleFudge to shoot him down
9. ...


points 2 onwards are INDEPENDENT of point 1.

Now - what is your point?!?[/b]

That is the point. You put your trust in the fallible. They can and probably will fail you.

Originally posted by RJHinds
That is the point. You put your trust in the fallible. They can and probably will fail you.

I was taught in a management course that the operative word is not "trust". It is "predictability." Do not place you trust in people whose behavior you cannot predict. Or place it only so far as you can reasonably predict it.

Our ability to know what a person will do is limited, as you say.

But our ability is limited by our limitations, not by theirs.

How is it you think we can predict what God will do? With our limitations, is God ours to figure out so thoroughly?

When you pray, "Thy will be done" do you know what it is God's will to do?

Originally posted by Agerg

Perhaps it is you that needs to think because there seems to be no sense in your enquiry.
Given that lists of humans people trust don't make it into your set of permissible answers then...

if I'm not a theist - and so I don't believe "Christ" exists then your set of permissible answers contains either non-human creatures or non-sentient objects. On the ot ...[text shortened]... uld you like me to say I trust my pencil, and my iguana "Archibald"?...will that do you!?

Wouldn't you be at all inclined to agree with the old fashioned notion
that there's a slight difference between the temporal and the eternal?

* TemporalReveal Hidden Content

* EternalReveal Hidden Content
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Originally posted by RJHinds
That is the point. You put your trust in the fallible. They can and probably will fail you.

No.
My car will not probably fail to stop when I apply the brakes.
3. My employer will not probably fail to pay me.
4. My wife will not probably fail to look after my money.
5. My son will not probably fail to do his homework.
6. My dog will not probably fail not to go on the couch.
7. RJHinds will not probably fail to make moronic posts
8. GoogleFudge will not probably fail to shoot him down
9. ...

All are fallible but not likely to fail.

Whereas a man in a smock who promised to return 2,000 years ago
has most definitely let a lot of people down!

Originally posted by JS357
I was taught in a management course that the operative word is not "trust". It is "predictability." Do not place you trust in people whose behavior you cannot predict. Or place it only so far as you can reasonably predict it.

Our ability to [b]know what a person will do is limited, as you say.

But our ability is limited by our limitations, not ...[text shortened]... horoughly?

When you pray, "Thy will be done" do you know what it is God's will to do?[/b]

We Christians believe that God is good and that His will has the good of mankind in mind.

Originally posted by wolfgang59
No.
My car will [b]not probably fail to stop when I apply the brakes.
3. My employer will not probably fail to pay me.
4. My wife will not probably fail to look after my money.
5. My son will not probably fail to do his homework.
6. My dog will not probably fail not to go on the couch.
7. RJHinds will not ...[text shortened]... n a smock who promised to return 2,000 years ago
has most definitely let a lot of people down![/b]

You are too impatient. 😏

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Wouldn't you be at all inclined to agree with the old fashioned notion
that there's a slight difference between the temporal and the eternal?

[b]* Temporal[hidden]For Example: Whom shall we marry? Where shall we live? How many children should we have, if any? On what things should we spend our money, etc?[/hidden]

* Eternal[hidden]What will we choose as our permanent address?[/hidden]
-[/b]

Yes, I agree there is a difference between an interval on the temporal line, and the entire line (and accordingly the things which are interesting to us on those intervals). Not so sure I could have possibly anticipated you would come out with that one thoughReveal Hidden Content.

Ok...I trust I will cease to exist for all eternity upon death (as I did before the given "Christ" does not exist) - is this a revelation for you!? 😕