27 Mar 20
@eladar saidWere all of the Old Testament instructions good or evil?
Leviticus instructed the Jews to execute homosexuals. Was this instruction evil?
27 Mar 20
@divegeester saidStart a thread on a tangent if you wish. This one is specifically about Leviticus, the homosexual execution issue was an example.
Were all of the Old Testament instructions good or evil?
27 Mar 20
@eladar saidIn order to comment on your “example” it is worth considering the entire sample from Leviticus don’t you agree?
Start a thread on a tangent if you wish. This one is specifically about Leviticus, the homosexual execution issue was an example.
27 Mar 20
@divegeester saidNo, I do not agree.
In order to comment on your “example” it is worth considering the entire sample from Leviticus don’t you agree?
28 Mar 20
@eladar saidChapter, verse, and version, please?
Leviticus instructed the Jews to execute homosexuals. Was this instruction evil?
There, I threw a bone.
Interesting to see is Suzi will give a direct answer to this question. She has not done so in the past, so I am not holding my breath now.
28 Mar 20
@hakima saidOk since you ask for a quote
Are you unwilling to provide it or just too lazy?
Leviticus 20:13 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.
@eladar said"Evil" is a matter for subjective perception and opinions. By contrast, it is an objective fact that Leviticus 20:13 was part of ancient Hebrew law and that there were similar laws in other cultures.
Leviticus instructed the Jews to execute homosexuals. Was this instruction evil?
It was not "evil" to execute homosexuals according to the prevailing norms and values of the people who wrote down the 'rule'. And they framed it as somehow being an instruction from a supernatural being, for whatever that's worth. If I had been one of them, I most likely would have concurred.
But, from my perspective, horrific religious mumbo jumbo like Leviticus simply reflects the relative savagery of the times in which it was written. So, not being an admirer of ancient Hebrews - or the 'sex laws' of any number of cultures or religious traditions back then in such dark times - and not being sentimental or ideologically bound by the ancient Hebrews' partially civilized laws, from my perspective the instruction was "evil".
However, I think we can all agree that NOT executing homosexuals is a sign of moral evolution and progress and that executing homosexuals nowadays would be rightfully seen as being "evil". Right?
People can think of it as a "sin" if they want. I can't see any objection to that: the notion of "sin" is just a moral opinion rooted in superstition, after all.
28 Mar 20
@fmf saidSo you are saying it was not evil then, so if you were alive then you would believe it is fine.
"Evil" is a matter for subjective perception. It was not "evil" to execute homosexuals according to the prevailing norms and values of the people who wrote down the 'rule'. And they framed it as somehow being an instruction from a supernatural being, for whatever that's worth. If I had been one of them, I most likely would have concurred.
But, from my perspective, horrific re ...[text shortened]... nd progress and that executing homosexuals nowadays would be rightfully seen as being "evil". Right?
But now you are evolved so believe it is evil today.
Is that right?
28 Mar 20
@eladar saidI am saying that I think it is "evil" but that it was just a reflection of the prevailing "evil" of that time. If I had been 30-year-old German in 1942, I might have thought that exterminating the Jews was a good idea and not "evil".
So you are saying it was not evil then, so if you were alive then you would believe it is fine.
28 Mar 20
@eladar saidIndeed. I think human beings have evolved morally, yes, with regard to facets of the human condition like homosexuality. There has been moral progress in many ways. The recognization and observance of human rights for example.
But now you are evolved so believe it is evil today.