@fmf saidI think the first four items in your list all basically say the same thing, which amount to the Nicene Creed. I'm not absolutely convinced that there's a requirement to do good works, more a requirement to repent of the bad ones. Where your last item substantially differs from the first four is "obey God's commandments". However, other than the Ten Commandments and a general admonition against sinning it's a little unclear which commandments Christians are to obey since they're not bound by the stuff in Leviticus. I agree that Eladar does not appear to have defined what it is to be a Christian at all.
You keep saying it is "wrong" but you don't have the courage to say why you think that.
Here are the core beliefs of Christians which you have dismissed as being "wrong", "gibberish", "fluff" and "meaningless":
A Christian is defined by his or her beliefs with regard to the life, death and the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
A Christian believes that God sent his son J ...[text shortened]... ks, that their faith is not dead.
Your definition of a Christian did not even mention Christ.
If it were only for the two instances in Leviticus where homosexuality is condemned it wouldn't be forbidden for gentile Christians - only Jewish Christians would be held to it the stuff in Leviticus and they ceased to exist many centuries ago. There's nothing in the Gospels that I'm aware of, but St. Paul is pretty adamant in Romans.
What I'm getting at with the above is that it isn't Leviticus that is the basis for Christian condemnation of homosexuality but the writings of St. Paul.
What I'm getting at with the above is that it isn't Leviticus that is the basis for Christian condemnation of homosexuality but the writings of St. Paul.
It does not matter what is written in the Gospels, people can claim it means anything. This is why it is impossible to tell a Christian simply by words found in the Bible. The words mean nothing and God wanted it like that.
@deepthought saidWell, "faith" is the key to it. And "faith" is dead without good works. So that creates "a requirement", regardless of how many fuzzy feelgood too-often-do-nothing Christians refuse to see the link and the obligation.
I'm not absolutely convinced that there's a requirement to do good works, more a requirement to repent of the bad ones.
@deepthought saidThat's right. Not on this thread. Nor on this Thread 184585 where he pretended to define it. And certainly not on this Thread 184586 which he chickened out of altogether. He's just trying to be contrary and truculent and, in so doing, he has his prideful back up against the wall with his y-fronts at his ankles.
I agree that Eladar does not appear to have defined what it is to be a Christian at all.
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@eladar saidIt does not matter what is written in the Gospels
It does not matter what is written in the Gospels, people can claim it means anything. This is why it is impossible to tell a Christian simply by words found in the Bible. The words mean nothing and God wanted it like that.
The words mean nothing
It is impossible to define a Christian
Reference to Christ is not needed to define a Christian
The core beliefs of Christianity are all "fluff" and "meaningless"
Blah blah blah "evil" blah blah "God" blah blah you're a bozo blah blah
Priceless!
@deepthought saidWell, then. The Nicene Creed is apparently "gibberish" and "wrong".
I think the first four items in your list all basically say the same thing, which amount to the Nicene Creed.
I wonder what Eladar makes of the Sermon On The Mount.
@eladar saidUh huh, mmm, yeah, man. Cool. Deep. What's clear is that you are unable to define a Christian and you are even furtive about whether you profess to be one, possibly because of your apparent rejection of Christ. That's quite the corner you have reversed yourself into.
Of course it is. God defines who a Christian is, not man.