lucifer (light- bringer)

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
Last time it was brought up here.
Do your own homework, sonny.

So, no reference then. I hear you.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
i dont believe in freewill.

do you think a schizophrenic can freely choose to ignore the voices?

Smart money says "don't respond," but I will humor you.

Again, obstacles can be overcome.
For every person you can point to and say 'look at this failure to overcome,' I can point to at least just as many and say 'look at this success in the face of overwhelming obstacles.'

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
Smart money says "don't respond," but I will humor you.

Again, obstacles can be overcome.
For every person you can point to and say 'look at this failure to overcome,' I can point to at least just as many and say 'look at this success in the face of overwhelming obstacles.'

are you suggesting that all people with schizophrenia are able to choose to ignore the voices?

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
That argument of Sam Harris' has been destroyed already.
It's laughable that you still cling to something so patently, obviously wrong.

Now, it's your turn.
I demand a response from you.

No what happened was you scoffed at it, provided no valid arguments, then insulted
everyone who held that position...

Although not necessarily in that order.


To 'destroy' this position requires actually demonstrating that it is wrong, which is
not something you, or anyone else here, has done.



If the argument is so easy to destroy you will be able to adequately answer my questions.

If... when you fail, you can then admit that maybe it's not quite so obviously wrong after
all.

Originally posted by wolfgang59
Maybe there is 5th column in heaven?
Someone who sympathises with the rebels.

And if the war is on Earth - who is winning?

In my opinion, Satan appears to be winning here on earth.

Originally posted by wolfgang59
Doesn't make sense.
I thought your god was in charge of punishment?

Of course it doesn't make sense to you. You don't believe there is God. Why would you think you understand so much? Of the world, maybe, but comprehending our freewill, life with God and all the rest, not a chance.

Originally posted by RJHinds
In my opinion, Satan appears to be winning here on earth.

He deceives himself, Lucifer does. He still thinks he can win. Revelation unfolds, and there is no turning back now.

Originally posted by RJHinds
In my opinion, Satan appears to be winning here on earth.

Where's your faith man? Read the book, the outcome is already known.

Originally posted by yoctobyte
Where's your faith man? Read the book, the outcome is already known.

I have faith that there will be an intervention - the coming of the LORD.

HalleluYah !!! Praise the LORD! Holy! Holy! Holy!

Originally posted by Pudgenik
He deceives himself, Lucifer does. He still thinks he can win. Revelation unfolds, and there is no turning back now.

So Satan must not have read your holy, holy book ?? Obviously Satan knows this god character much better than any humans. Hmmm, I wonder just what he knows that could influence such self-destructive behavior.

Originally posted by caissad4
So Satan must not have read your holy, holy book ?? Obviously Satan knows this god character much better than any humans. Hmmm, I wonder just what he knows that could influence such self-destructive behavior.

Satan obviously knows much more that any of us. However, Satan is a scientist that walks by sight. We, Christians, walk by faith.

HalleluYah !!! Praise the LORD! Holy! Holy! Holy!

Originally posted by yoctobyte
Where's your faith man? Read the book, the outcome is already known.

The outcome is known? Unchangeable?

No need for anyone to do anything then.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Satan is a scientist that walks by sight. We, Christians, walk by faith.

Good analogy. Theists: blind leading the blind. Putting their faith in a white stick rather than opening their eyes.

Scientists walking by sight. YEP

Originally posted by Pudgenik
He deceives himself, Lucifer does. He still thinks he can win. Revelation unfolds, and there is no turning back now.

How do you have access to what Lucifer is thinking?

Originally posted by Suzianne
I don't believe there's a war in heaven at all, or that it is "still going on".

Lucifer was kicked out of Heaven, along with the third who were supporting him. Done. End of story.

There's peace in heaven now. He's doing all his "rabble-rousing" now on Earth, for all the good it'll do him. And for this, he'll pay the price, no worries.

If the battle for good and evil is now fought on earth I think Satan has the upper hand.