Originally posted by googlefudgeIt would not matter if the chat-bot could fool you and everyone else into
If you go to a chat-bot on the web you can have a [pretty dumb] conversation
with it.
With time such programs have and will get better, someday soonish they will be
indistinguishable from a real person.
They don't have free will, they are simply the functions of the deterministic workings
of a computer program.
The fact that I selected the ...[text shortened]... cities you know.
Explain how it was that you chose that city to be the first to come to mind.
thinking it was a person. It still would not be a real person, any more
than a someone pretending to preform magic by slight of hand make
everyone think s/he actually preformed magic. Reality is it would still be
a computer program running it's program nothing more.
Kelly
Originally posted by googlefudge"Libertarian free will - Theopedia, an encyclopedia of ...
Kelly, like you, is very confused.
Responding to an argument, or objecting to an argument, is not even remotely
the same as shredding it.
Kelly completely failed to deal with my argument, and suffers from the same
confusion, without the hostility, that you do.
Let me say this again. Being able to MAKE decisions is not any kind of indicat ...[text shortened]... to make decisions. Great, good for you.
That doesn't prove you have free will.
Get it?
www.theopedia.com/Libertarian_free_willLibertarian free will means that our choices are free from the determination or constraints of human nature and free from any predetermination by God.
No one period is this free! There choices we will not make due to right
and wrong with in us. If you were to claim you need to be free to make
any choice at any time to be free, only a monster completely over come
with selfishness would do so without regard to anything other than
themselves. Why would such a heartless standard be worth striving for?
Better is to have a core within one's self filled with love and caring for
others to help guide one along in life.
I'm not the confused one here! You should examine yourself first.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayIdiot.
"Libertarian free will - Theopedia, an encyclopedia of ...
www.theopedia.com/Libertarian_free_willLibertarian free will means that our choices are free from the determination or constraints of human nature and free from any predetermination by God.
No one period is this free! There choices we will not make due to right
and wrong with in us. If you were ...[text shortened]... e one along in life.
I'm not the confused one here! You should examine yourself first.
Kelly
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19 May 14
Originally posted by SuzianneNope. Libertarian free will doesn't exist.
Exactly what does "I am an adult" mean to you?
That you might have... (wait for it)... free will?
How many times do I have to tell you this before you stop pretending to
think I believe otherwise?
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19 May 14
Originally posted by KellyJayWE are just 'programs running on a computer'.
It would not matter if the chat-bot could fool you and everyone else into
thinking it was a person. It still would not be a real person, any more
than a someone pretending to preform magic by slight of hand make
everyone think s/he actually preformed magic. Reality is it would still be
a computer program running it's program nothing more.
Kelly
The fact that it's a biological computer and the 'programs' and hardware are
basically one and the same thing and look nothing like the design of our binary
computers we build doesn't change that fact.
However. It's utterly irrelevant as to WHAT is making a decision, in determining IF a
decision has been made.
A google car driving along coming to a junction has to pick which way to turn.
That is a decision, irrespective of what made it.
The computer faced a choice, and chose an option.
I am not claiming that the google car [or chat-bot] is sentient, although I believe that
a sentient computer is likely to both be possible and will be achieved in my lifetime.
All I am saying is that the google car and chat-bot are both decision makers, that don't
have libertarian free will.
Thus demonstrating that it must be the case that evidence of decision making is not
evidence of free will.
Look at it this way.
Lets suppose we have two google cars, one is driven by the computer and the other is
driven by a human. The windows are blacked out and both are using the cars sensors
to 'see' where they are going.
You cannot tell them apart and don't know which is driven by a human, and which by
a computer.
They are both instructed to go on a journey from city A to city B.
You will observe both cars selecting a route, and following it, reacting to traffic, avoiding
obstacles... Making decisions.
You cannot tell which is the human and which is the computer driving from the fact that
they are making choices, making decisions.
You are trying to cheat, to tell them apart by [in effect] looking inside the cars to see
which is being driven by a human.
However in our discussions about free will you cannot cheat like that.
For our purposes here the human brain is a black box, we see what goes in, and what comes
out. But not what is going on inside to convert what comes in to what comes out.
20 May 14
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21 May 14
Originally posted by redbaronsOf course he does. Now. But as close as he gets to winning, he'll still lose in the end. All that will happen is many humans will be led astray and many will be tortured and killed by other men in thrall to him. The faithful will eventually get their reward and evil will be vanquished. It's all there in black and white in Revelation.
If the battle for good and evil is now fought on earth I think Satan has the upper hand.