1. Standard memberBosse de Nage
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    25 Aug '05 11:12
    The film. The man. What do you think about it/ him? Lutheran opinions especially welcome.
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    25 Aug '05 11:44
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    The film. The man. What do you think about it/ him? Lutheran opinions especially welcome.
    Martin or Lex?
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    25 Aug '05 12:27
    Originally posted by David C
    Martin or Lex?
    Or Vandross...
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    25 Aug '05 12:31
    Originally posted by jimmyb270
    Or Vandross...
    The three of them would make a wonderful three Trinity.

    I meant Martin Luther. Interesting historical figure, & the first priest to legitimately bed a woman since pagan times.
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    25 Aug '05 12:57
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    & the first priest to legitimately bed a woman since pagan times.
    I think you had better check your facts on that. The Catholic church actually allowed priests to marry long before Luther. But as the Vicars of Christ received more and more "revelation," they slowly began to outlaw God's law.
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    25 Aug '05 12:58
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    The film. The man. What do you think about it/ him? Lutheran opinions especially welcome.
    Great reformer.
  7. Standard memberDavid C
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    25 Aug '05 13:02
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    I meant Martin Luther. Interesting historical figure, & the first priest to legitimately bed a woman since pagan times.
    Interesting, yes, but in the end just another dupe who did his part to perpetuate the myth that we've come to know as Chrisitianity.
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    25 Aug '05 13:22
    Originally posted by kingdanwa
    I think you had better check your facts on that. The Catholic church actually allowed priests to marry long before Luther. But as the Vicars of Christ received more and more "revelation," they slowly began to outlaw God's law.
    Fact check welcome--when were priests stopped from marrying?

    I know that the priests of the Celtic church were always allowed to marry.

    Is the Lutheran church a significant force in the spiritual landscape today?
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    25 Aug '05 14:12
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    Fact check welcome--when were priests stopped from marrying?
    Very early in the Church's history:

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03481a.htm (see section on History of Clerical Celibacy).

    Note: married men are not prohibited from becoming priests; but priests are prohibited from marrying.
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    25 Aug '05 14:13
    Originally posted by kingdanwa
    I think you had better check your facts on that. The Catholic church actually allowed priests to marry long before Luther. But as the Vicars of Christ received more and more "revelation," they slowly began to outlaw God's law.
    Just out of curiosity, If its Gods law, how could men outlaw it?
    Wouldn't that mean those men are more powerful than god?
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    25 Aug '05 17:01
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    The film. The man. What do you think about it/ him? Lutheran opinions especially welcome.
    The recent film was pretty good, but I did not agree with how the actor played Luther - the way he seem sort of wimpy and uncertain at key points in history. But who knows.

    You could say Luther was the unwitting god-father of the Reformation. He only wanted to reform the Catholic church - but start a movement that he never expected and ofter lost control of. He didn't want a church denomination to be call "Lutheran" but I think he relented when it was inevitable.

    The movie does a good job showing some of more earthy elements of Luther - his use of name calling and vulgar images. He was far less prudish and proper then we American Evangelicals tend to be. He wasn't afraid to call his opponents fools, asses, and worse. And I think he had biblical precedence for his "style" of discourse.

    Overall, a movie worth watching.
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    25 Aug '05 21:24
    Originally posted by David C
    Interesting, yes, but in the end just another dupe who did his part to perpetuate the myth that we've come to know as Chrisitianity.
    ...or just another guy who did his part to perpetuate secularism... depends which way you look at it
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    25 Aug '05 22:35
    If you were to ask an informed Lutheran he/she might tell you Luther rediscovered the Gospel "good news" that had been covered up by the medievel church through saint worship and indulgences.
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    26 Aug '05 04:22
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    Just out of curiosity, If its Gods law, how could men outlaw it?
    Wouldn't that mean those men are more powerful than god?
    I couldn't agree more. Vive le papa.
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    26 Aug '05 05:25
    Originally posted by kingdanwa
    I couldn't agree more. Vive le papa.
    Did you forget about that thread which you were going to think about
    and give a considered reply?

    Nemesio
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