Originally posted by frogstomp
the matt 25 quote is Christ saying who gets eternal life and who gets everlasting punishment and WHY.
It's Christ that will sit in judgement.
Like I said, I really don’t get where you see there is a dispute between
Jesus and Paul when it comes to the judgment of man, but we can if
you want look a few verses and see if we can find some.
We can start with a few examples of Paul pointing out that it will be
Jesus not Paul that is going to be standing in judgment of mankind,
and we can look at how this plays out too. If you have a perfect
conscience before God and man you should be okay.
Romans 12-16
“12All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, 15since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.) 16This will take place on the day when God will judge men's secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.”
In another book by Paul he again says it will be Jesus that judges
mankind. I don’t think there is any doubt who Paul believes is going
to have the last word in judgment. So we can just look at what Jesus
says and be stop worrying about any difference in who has the last say
and just look at what are some of the things that Jesus says about
judgment. If you have an issue where you don’t think Paul’s teaching
and Jesus’ match up, we can go over them. I just hope you have more
than one scripture out of the many that Paul and Jesus have said to
clearly show there is a division in their doctrine.
2 Timothy 4: 1-3
“1In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: 2Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. 3For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine.”
John in the book of Revelation speaks about this day vividly.
Revelation 20:10-15
10And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Let’s look at some of the things Jesus said so you can get a fuller
understanding of what is going to happen on judgment day. You
should be aware that Jesus does not even deny these guys below
did he things that they claimed. Yet, in spite of these grand ‘works’
they are being cast out of the kingdom of God, for what reason?
Matthew 7:21-23
21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'
Some other words of Jesus:
Matthew 12: 30-32
30"He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters. 31And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
Matthew 12: 36-37
36But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. 37For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned."
As you can see, I don’t think just those two verses you quoted
covered the day of judgment well, and there are a great deal more we
can get into if you like. I just hit some of the spots I thought would
stop the confusion that some how Paul and Jesus were on different
pages as to what is going to happen.
Kelly
edit: This is why we need Jesus!
Main Problem with religion.
09 Jul '05 07:32
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