Originally posted by KellyJayOh , I will reword my original question with God(Jesus)
Because we are the only ones that worry about those types of labels,
if you read those scriptures I gave you and just apply them to
everyone you will see that what is important isn't going to be what we
call ourselves. There isn't going to be an okay, all the Baptist stand
there, all the Catholics over here, atheist up front next to the
agnostics. Th ...[text shortened]... .
If God told anyone anything, than the Word of God (Jesus) can be
said was involved.
Kelly
Do you think God(Jesus) "inspired" some cleric to write that God(Jesus) told Joshua to kill the little ones?
Is this the same God(Jesus) that said :
Matt
18:1 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is
the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?
18:2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
18:4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child,
the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
18:5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name
receiveth me.
18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in
me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his
neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
18:5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name
receiveth me.
18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in
me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his
neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
18:14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven,
that one of these little ones should perish.
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Originally posted by frogstompYes, same Jesus.
Oh , I will reword my original question with God(Jesus)
Do you think God(Jesus) "inspired" some cleric to write that God(Jesus) told Joshua to kill the little ones?
Is this the same God(Jesus) that said :
Matt
18 ...[text shortened]... ch is in heaven,
that one of these little ones should perish.
Let me ask you something, since everyone returns to God after they
die do you think God views our death differently than we do?
As far God’s justice is concern we can look at that too, can God judge
a nation and condemn it to death for the practices or deeds that it
does?
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJaywould a whole nation die simultaneously?
Yes, same Jesus.
Let me ask you something, since everyone returns to God after they
die do you think God views our death differently than we do?
As far God’s justice is concern we can look at that too, can God judge
a nation and condemn it to death for the practices or deeds that it
does?
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayI would think he would since its us and not Him that's died.
Yes, same Jesus.
Let me ask you something, since everyone returns to God after they
die do you think God views our death differently than we do?
As far God’s justice is concern we can look at that too, can God judge
a nation and condemn it to death for the practices or deeds that it
does?
Kelly
LMAO thats silly Kelly Jay , a Nation aint alive in the first place, condemn to death a non-living thing would be a waste of time, especially on judgment day and we are all already dead.
Originally posted by Conrau KOn the other hand, read the bible. Revelation is particularly string on casting into hell. Parts of Matthew do fairly well too.
I have been a christian for two years now but when i was going to be baptised, the priest told me that i already had. He taught me that anyone who behaves out in love, peace and compassion had been baptised into the body of Jesus. I can assure anyone that even atheists would be received into heaven if they accepted God (who is love). My bible says do not ju ...[text shortened]... be an anti- religion agent who maintains such a fallacy that non- believers are cast into hell.
I chose many years ago to reject god. I'll be furious if he gets me in the end just because I've behaved well.
Originally posted by frogstompNations are judged for what they do as a people, and at times
I would think he would since its us and not Him that's died.
LMAO thats silly Kelly Jay , a Nation aint alive in the first place, condemn to death a non-living thing would be a waste of time, especially on judgment day and we are all already dead.
because of what the leadership does according to scripture. This
isn't something I'm making up, to be under authority and being
in authority are real and important when it comes to life. This is
not just a ‘God’ thing, we too act for and against various nations
for things that the people do, or what the leadership does. It
happens, and has been a reality throughout human history.
Kelly
Originally posted by frogstompI will give you the same answer, if God spoke than Jesus being
Oh , I will reword my original question with God(Jesus)
Do you think God(Jesus) "inspired" some cleric to write that God(Jesus) told Joshua to kill the little ones?
Is this the same God(Jesus) that said :
Matt
18:1 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is
the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?
18:2 And Jes ...[text shortened]... ot the will of your Father which is in heaven,
that one of these little ones should perish.
the Word of God spoke.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayOk so according to Paul , Jesus "inspired" the men that wrote down the OT to record that Jesus ( God) instructed Joshua to kill all the little one in Canaan. Is that what you're saying?
I will give you the same answer, if God spoke than Jesus being
the Word of God spoke.
Kelly
"Until people realise that God does not exist, then there is no chance that everybody will see everyone else as equals."
This is certainly true because atheists will regard religious poeple as inferior.
How can any rational atheist respect some-one who thinks that God exists and that souls live eternally in heaven or hell after we die?
How can any rational atheist respect some-one who if they had lived a few hundred years ago would believe that lightning was God's vengeance?
How can any rational atheist respect some-one who quotes a book written by men thousands of years ago and iqnores rigorously investigated Scientific evidence?
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Originally posted by howardgeeeasy cheesey. i liked some of the ideas that you brought up in your inital post, but now you are starting to sound fanatical to me; what's worse, you seem to be harboring the same resentment you claim to be arguing against.
"Until people realise that God does not exist, then there is no chance that everybody will see everyone else as equals."
This is certainly true because atheists will regard religious poeple as inferior.
How can any rational atheis ...[text shortened]... rs ago and iqnores rigorously investigated Scientific evidence?
in a good debate, people attack ideas, not other people. moreover, people deserve respect even if their ideas do not. in my view, much of the resentment between believers of different faiths stems from mistakenly extrapolating rejection of the person's view to rejection of the person himself. ironically, this seems also to be what your post here is doing.
you speak of respect; it may simply be that some mutual respect is sufficient for all people to view each other as equals.
also, as an agnostic atheist, i think the positive assertion that god doesn't exist is just as foolish as the theist's positive assertion that he does exist. what proof do you have for the non-existence of god?
Originally posted by LemonJelloI cannot prove there is not a giant cockroach pulling all the strings!
easy cheesey. i liked some of the ideas that you brought up in your inital post, but now you are starting to sound fanatical to me; what's worse, you seem to be harboring the same resentment you claim to be arguing against.
in a good debate, people attack ideas, not other people. moreover, people deserve respect even if their ideas do not. in my ...[text shortened]... 's positive assertion that he does exist. what proof do you have for the non-existence of god?
Does this mean I have to respect people who worship the great 'Cock'?
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Originally posted by howardgeeit is well within your right to reject the nonsensical. you can even be 'Cocky' about it, and let all interested parties know just how nonsensical you think it is.
I cannot prove there is not a giant cockroach pulling all the strings!
Does this mean I have to respect people who worship the great 'Cock'?
that said, if you were more open to the concept that there is fundamental difference between a person and those beliefs said person may hold, your outlook wouldn't be so warped, pessimistic, needlessly intolerant, and devaluing toward life in general.