@Suzianne saidHow stupid, it’s two lgbtq pastors talking with Knowles and a very kind pastor from saddleback church.
I refuse to look at your hateful videos, but I can only guess how hate-filled they are. They are not "my peeps". I have no control over people YOU choose to align me with. You are a liar and a false witness.
@mike69 said"by changing the Word and their salvation."
That’s what the event was and the large majority do. If you add the different religions together they contain only 35% of the lgbtq community. This group isn’t my concern, it’s misleading people by changing the Word and their salvation. How hard is it to simply answer four questions, why won’t you do it as loud and proud as you are I don’t understand?
This is more you than them. Anything to feel better about your ugly agenda.
@Suzianne saidI’m not going to keep answering your hate and stupidity sue just because you don’t want to answer simple questions. These comments were made by two popular lgbtq pastors who are both published authors on the subject that I’m sure you support.
Oh, really, don't you claim to know God's will?
You certainly claim to know what it is not, leaving your agenda out, of course.
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@mike69 saidYour questions are far from 'simple' - they are meant to deceive.
I’m not going to keep answering your hate and stupidity sue just because you don’t want to answer simple questions. These comments were made by two popular lgbtq pastors who are both published authors on the subject that I’m sure you support.
AND the longer you keep me busy with this nonsense, the longer it'll be before you get your answers.
And again, are your "experts" Pharisees or Sadducees?
@Suzianne saidAt that time; Paul was speaking to the Corinthians who came to the Lords Supper to Eat, party, get drunk, and hook up with whatever gender one preferred. Paul got angry and chewed them all out.
And that of all these things, there is far less about homosexuality in the New Testament, at least until you get to Paul. Paul is incredibly less tolerant to those unlike himself (like guess who?), AND he is NOT Jesus, i.e. without sin. Paul had a very long history of sin before his transformation.
Going to the Lords Supper with the soul purpose to do any one of these things or sins, will not get one into the Kingdom of Heaven.
All I know is that I thank Jesus for His Mercy and Grace because with out Him and what He has done, I would have never made it; Nor would anyone else of made it. Also, we all will have sin in us until the day we die.
If one follows the teachings of Jesus; (loving and treating others as we would wish to be loved and treated), then you will enter the Kingdom of God. I personally believe this even includes non-believers and atheists' if they love their neighbors as themselves, then they will be saved. Jesus said: "Love covers a multitude of sins." My personal opinion. 🙂
@mike69 saidSince you 'absolutely' REFUSE to answer me unless I give fuel to your argument, I have refused to answer your questions as ridiculous. My arguments still stand.
Sue respectfully and with love there is no liberal Bible or Christianity it’s a made up concept to bend God to your will and lifestyle and not you to Gods just for self acceptance and reassurance here on earth. It is not biblically supported in the Bible, you can’t even defend and answer my questions to your beliefs in this so called liberal Christianity because you can’t. Le ...[text shortened]... like mentioned throughout the Bible?
Should the Lords Prayer be changed from our FATHER IN HEAVEN?
In refusing to face my points, you are refusing to continue this conversation. But, I will answer these rather pointed and leading questions. I will not, however, stand for your follow-up attacks in this vein. You've already made quite clear your incorrect attitudes about my church. I've even had to alert your worst attacks on my church. All you want is verification that I am someone you can 'safely' hate. Nevermind the truth. Nevermind Jesus' teachings. You say you want freedom of religion. But you don't. You want freedom to spew your 'truths' (mainly hate and censorship) without concern for others' truths.
Let's number these for convenience:
1. Is the Bible the inerrant word of God?
2. Does the bible disagree with same sex relationships, overlooking everything said about a man and a woman, creation?
3. Is God trans and not the father and son like mentioned throughout the Bible?
4. Should the Lords Prayer be changed from our FATHER IN HEAVEN?
1. No. It IS the Word of God, yes, but inerrant? Worth starting the Crusades which killed millions of non-Christians? No. You do understand that the current Bible, even good translations such as the King James Version, has not survived completely intact from God's mouth, right? The main mover and shaker in the early church was the Roman Catholic Church (RCC). The RCC, especially through such Councils as the First Council of Nicaea in 325 C.E., with its anathemas against Arian propositions, the Council of Sardica in 341 C.E., and the Second Ecumenical Council of 381 C.E. in Constantinople, along with the Council of Ephesus of 431 C.E. and the Fourth Ecumenical Council at Chalcedon in 451 C.E., has changed what it believes many times, despite no changes in the Bible text. My point is, the leading Christian church in the world, whose influence was worldwide, has changed their beliefs pried from "the Word of God" many times. Inerrant? Hardly. The Bible was written by men. I believe that it was inspired by God, but once men get ahold of it, Inerrant? No way.
2. The Old Testament, with its Creation account and highlighted by Mosaic Law, is the account upon which Judaism is based. All the "rules" set forth therein are echoed in Mosaic Law. This was written, for a rather ignorant and unscientific people, about 3500 years ago. Hardly inerrant nor predictive, it outlines a huge number of laws one should follow if they wish to be considered by God as a 'good Jew'. For Christians, it serves best as a history of the Hebrews, and a remarkably unsubstantiated and rather elitist roll-up to the birth of our Savior.
The New Testament, focusing on the Gospels, is the teachings of God's Son, Jesus the Christ, the Messiah, sent by God to save mankind from itself. Nowhere in all the words of Jesus, is homosexuality mentioned. Why am I not surprised that all of the things actually mentioned by Jesus get a pass by the so-called leaders of today, because they are the ones they are guilty of, while homosexuality, which seems incredibly minor when compared to all the other things that can ruin people, basically gets a pass in the NT, yet leaders go on and on and on about it, because it is the one thing they can grab onto and talk about how horrible it is because most of them don't do that. So-called "Christians" use it to separate themselves from those they say are "truly evil", yet Jesus never mentioned it. If it was so condemned, you'd think he would have mentioned it at some point in his 33 years of life. But he does mention selfishness and materialism as things which keep people from salvation. But here come the church leaders, saying these are not the things which keep one from God, because these are things they openly do. You do a lot of talking about church leaders changing the will of God, this is one of the most glaring examples of this, yet you act like that's not important, but something not even mentioned by Jesus, ever, is. You just need to stop talking to me about the will of God, when it is clear that's not important to you.
(By the way, did you see how Erika Kirk and JD Vance embraced each other the other day? I thought they were gonna start humping each other right on the stage. They talk about homosexuality being evil, but not one single word about how adultery has broken up more families. As Jesus would say, Hypocrites! )
3. Are you stupid? This is such a stupid question that I totally reject it out of hand. Don't be an idiot.
4. Why? Give me ONE reason it should be changed. Again, don't be an idiot.
Most Christians love God with their entire soul. I think less should be said about the authority of God, he can take care of himself. I think what we should be worried about, and what Jesus himself said we should be worried about, is the condition of our human brothers and neighbors on earth. "What you do to them, the least of my brothers, you do to me."
Horizontal Morality over Vertical Morality, because, by following Jesus and looking after our neighbor, we are honoring God's authority without using it as an excuse to hurt our neighbor. If Christians can accept a religious authoritarianism, how far is it from accepting a political authoritarianism?