Making an example out of the unfortunate

Originally posted by RJHinds
I believe your statements are probably due to your lack of study
of the complete bible, resulting in your lack of understanding,
rather than your lack of intelligence. I believe that you have
the intelligence to understand, if you would take the time to
really study all the Holy Bible carefully

Can you share with us some passages from the Bible which support your position? Please, no passages from Websters, Wikipedia or Jewish folklore ... 😀

Originally posted by RJHinds
I do not help people because they are poor. I do not believe it
is my fault they are poor. So it does not matter to me if a person
is rich or poor. I will only help a person if I feel like helping them.
I do not believe Jesus requires me to help the poor before He will
save me. I believe He will save me because I believe He is the Son
of God and He ...[text shortened]... sponsiblity to give them money for nothing.
I do not owe anyone anything because they are poor.

Yeah...the morality of every single atheist on this planet is so much worse than fundamentalist Christians like yourself 😞

Originally posted by Rajk999
This is the reason why I earlier likened you to the Pharisees. They similarly believed in their own 'superior' knowledge they were condemned by Christ. You are heading down that same road.

Okay, since you have the 'superior' knowledge of what Jesus meant.
Go on and sell all that you have and give the money to the poor.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Okay, since you have the 'superior' knowledge of what Jesus meant.
Go on and sell all that you have and give the money to the poor.

Matt 25:41-43 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
is this rethorical? it must be. i don't believe any sane person can think all a serial killer has to do is repent and he will go to heaven. while a muslim pediatrician who saved hundreds of children's lives will go to hell.

We are all sinners, we all have fallen short, only through God's grace are we
saved. You can do good works, that is a good thing no doubt, but working your
way into Heaven would be getting there on your own efforts as if God would
than owe you a place in His Kingdom. So yes, any sinner no matter how bad
can be saved by Jesus Chirst, and any so called good person can die in their
sins and go to hell.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
..You can do good works, that is a good thing no doubt, ...

Is there some part of the scripture you can quote where it says good works is a good thing?

I cant remember seeing that anywhere.
I do remember seeing phrases like:

- Christ will judge you according to your good works
- Faith without works is dead
- Love thy neighbour is the royal law
- ... etc

Good works is not just a good thing. Its essential for your salvation. If you do not have good works you will hear Christ say :

Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Try reading your Bible for a change KJ.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Is there some part of the scripture you can quote where it says good works is a good thing?

I cant remember seeing that anywhere.
I do remember seeing phrases like:

- Christ will judge you according to your good works
- Faith without works is dead
- Love thy neighbour is the royal law
- ... etc

Good works is not just a good thing. Its essentia ...[text shortened]... ing fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: [/i]

Try reading your Bible for a change KJ.

I would not like to have you as the judge at the final judgement,
for I would not expect any mercy from you. But the Judge will
be the Lord Jesus. HalleluYah!

Originally posted by RJHinds
I would not like to have you as the judge at the final judgement,
for I would not expect any mercy from you. But the Judge will
be the Lord Jesus. HalleluYah!

and the lord jesus will tell you "i don't fill like saving you, just as you didn't feel like helping your fellow man"

don't you remember a passage saying something like "when you help someone in need, you help me, and when you send someone in need on their way without helping them, it is me you are sending away"

Originally posted by KellyJay
We are all sinners, we all have fallen short, only through God's grace are we
saved. You can do good works, that is a good thing no doubt, but working your
way into Heaven would be getting there on your own efforts as if God would
than owe you a place in His Kingdom. So yes, any sinner no matter how bad
can be saved by Jesus Chirst, and any so called good person can die in their
sins and go to hell.
Kelly

Yes any sinner can indeed be saved, but repentance is the key to that. I cannot go out and create wholesale slaughter of thousands and just say okay I accept Jesus😀 Can I have my ticket to heaven please?

If one has not turned away from sin, and truly regretted ones actions, then no saving grace is imparted.

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
and the lord jesus will tell you "i don't fill like saving you, just as you didn't feel like helping your fellow man"

don't you remember a passage saying something like "when you help someone in need, you help me, and when you send someone in need on their way without helping them, it is me you are sending away"

I have not said I have never helped someone in need.
I was discussing the need to help someone because they
were believed to be poor. A person can be in need but
yet not poor in my view. But I do remember stopping my
car when I saw an old black man in ragged clothes that I
saw pushing a grocery cart along the street and went over
and gave him a twenty dollar bill and then left without
either of us saying a word to each other. I did that because
I felt like it might help him and I felt like it. I was not
thinking about Jesus or religion when I did it. I also have
drove by several times seeing people with signs saying
"Will work for food", but I had no work for them and I
drove on by. Sometimes, however when I had the time I
would stop by a fast food place and buy a meal and bring it
back and give to the person. Each time when I did this,
they seemed to shocked to say anything. I also remember
a time when I saw a man, his wife and little girl holding a
sign saying they needed money for gas to get home. I
stopped and gave them money to get the gas. I did this
only because I felt like it and had the time. But I do not
feel obligated to help anyone if I don't feel like it. I also
routinely give money to the local Golden Harvest Food Bank.
My wife was in charge of receiving donations from the members
of Mann United Method Church and distributiong a bag to any
one that came by. She told me of a situation in which a woman
came in to get some food and when my wife had gathered up a
variety of items to give her, the woman went through the items
in the bag and anything that did not have a brand name on it,
she asked for a repacement with a brand name item because
she said her family would not eat anything that was not a brand
name. My wife told her that if they got hungry enough they
would eat it. Most of the churches around here have these food
programs and I suspect some of these people go around from
church to church getting what they can for free. They even have
what they call, soup kitchens were a person can go to get free
hot meals. And there are homeless shelters for those who know
enough to go there instead of sleeping under a bridge or in an
abandoned building. I came from a broken home and my mother
could not afford to take care of me on her own, so I was raised
by my grandfather and grandmother, who had already raised 16
children before me. My grandfather was not rich but he worked
hard to provide and he was too proud to ask for or take charity
from anyone. Why can't we have more people like him? I feel
responsible to take care of my wife and the five children we had,
but I am not responsible to give money to anyone else. That is
just the way I feel and if Jesus has a problem with that,then so be it.

Originally posted by Doward
Yes any sinner can indeed be saved, but repentance is the key to that. I cannot go out and create wholesale slaughter of thousands and just say okay I accept Jesus😀 Can I have my ticket to heaven please?

If one has not turned away from sin, and truly regretted ones actions, then no saving grace is imparted.

That was the point, one must come to Christ not mouth it, anyone can say they
follow Christ, there will be fruits. Jesus' knows His own, if you are not His it
does not matter how "many works you do" it doesn't matter what people say
about you, you will hear the words, "I never knew you". There are a lot of
hateful people running around thinking they are saved, but there is no love in
them, He will sort them out.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
That was the point, one must come to Christ not mouth it, anyone can say they
follow Christ, there will be fruits. Jesus' knows His own, if you are not His it
does not matter how "many works you do" it doesn't matter what people say
about you, you will hear the words, "I never knew you". There are a lot of
hateful people running around thinking they are saved, but there is no love in
them, He will sort them out.
Kelly

there is some truth to that. Lots of people claim to know Christ, but there are no fruits

Originally posted by KellyJay
We are all sinners, we all have fallen short, only through God's grace are we
saved. You can do good works, that is a good thing no doubt, but working your
way into Heaven would be getting there on your own efforts as if God would
than owe you a place in His Kingdom. So yes, any sinner no matter how bad
can be saved by Jesus Chirst, and any so called good person can die in their
sins and go to hell.
Kelly

your god is unjust.

that line might have worked in the ancient era where all other religions were based on cruelty.

nowadays you don't need to be a christian in order to be a decent person (and often atheists are more decent than some christians). are you telling me you can enjoy afterlife drinking mojitos with ted bundy or hitler (assuming they managed to repent) while mahatma ghandi rots in hell?

i cannot believe that the number 1 priority of a supreme benevolent being is to be worshiped. he created sentient beings so he can have someone declare how awesome he is (because he didn't already knew, him being supreme and all)

Originally posted by Doward
Yes any sinner can indeed be saved, but repentance is the key to that. I cannot go out and create wholesale slaughter of thousands and just say okay I accept Jesus😀 Can I have my ticket to heaven please?

If one has not turned away from sin, and truly regretted ones actions, then no saving grace is imparted.

and still it is not enough. would it require the same amount of repentance for a dude that cheated on his wife as it would require hitler?

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
and still it is not enough. would it require the same amount of repentance for a dude that cheated on his wife as it would require hitler?

God the Father has designated His Son, Jesus as final judge
of mankind, since the Son is both human and divine. You ask
a question, I think, only Jesus can answer when He makes
that final judgement.