Mankind didn't fall

@fmf said
Do any non-Christians "have God’s Spirit"?

Call yourself whatever you want the only thing that matters is that you are Christ’s which God seals that with the Holy Spirit.

@rajk999 said
Ok, so what is your take on the claim some Christians make that they will get eternal life no matter what kind of 'flame' they have or even if they have no flame and live in sin.

I would tell these Christians, to go ask Judas about that.
It would depend on the "sin" in my opinion. God is all-loving and forgiving; however, He clearly has His limits; as we do here on earth.
Take the 'BTK killer' for instance; he claimed to be Christian, went to church every Sunday, and, he was treasurer of his church. He was also a cop who was highly respected in his community. He took several peoples lives in the most horrible of ways to fulfill his sick sexual murderous lusts, Sounds stupid to ask if he will get eternal life without true repentance does it not? "God will not be mocked."

@fmf said
Your assertion is that some magic happens after we die for which you don't have a scrap of evidence, and this is your stance ~ which you think does NOT "defy logic and reason"?

I didn't assert "some magic happens". That's just you projecting your own presumptuous idea.

There's more proof for Jesus' resurrection than most anything else in the historical record. But because you weren't there and didn't see it with your eyes you presumptuously assume it didn't happen.

Not believing in a creator, denying God's existence, logically makes an atheists denial of the afterlife, (since the atheist hasn't died and cannot say beyond all doubt whether there is an afterlife) without merit altogether.

Whereas, belief in the afterlife and the supernatural has evidence, which is see in everything in creation.

Thinking that no evidence is evidence for the denial of the supernatural defies logic and reason.

Whereas, thinking that what actually exists is evidence is borne of reason and logic founded in what exists.

@rajk999 said
What a load of bullchit.

You said a bad word. I'm telling.

@rajk999 said
Here we discuss.

Here you condemn.

@josephw said
You said a bad word. I'm telling.

I dont even have to check. I know I did not write that. You modified my post Like I already said to KD, some of you Christians truly have the Spirit of God, with your underhanded lying and deceiving.

@josephw said
Here you condemn.

Of course, I condemn your stupid church doctrine.

@kellyjay said
Call yourself whatever you want the only thing that matters is that you are Christ’s which God seals that with the Holy Spirit.

The pastor said that I know. But God said no such thing.

@kingdavid403 said
I would tell these Christians, to go ask Judas about that.
It would depend on the "sin" in my opinion. God is all-loving and forgiving; however, He clearly has His limits; as we do here on earth.
Take the 'BTK killer' for instance; he claimed to be Christian, went to church every Sunday, and, he was treasurer of his church. He was also a cop who was highly respected ...[text shortened]... d to ask if he will get eternal life without true repentance does it not? "God will not be mocked."

Many would look up to him and say he is a man of God. It goes on here too on this forum. Christians are quick to claim that they all ahve eternal life and not even God can change that.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
'All' evidence tells us that death is the end. There is 'no' evidence to the contrary.

" 'All' evidence tells us that death is the end".

But only of the material frame.

The "evidence" for the afterlife is attested to by eyewitness accounts of the resurrection of Jesus.

You may not believe it, but that doesn't make it untrue.

While it makes sense that the body of flesh will die, as all evidence shows, it makes no sense for one to think that the death of the body means the end of life.

@josephw said
" 'All' evidence tells us that death is the end".

But only of the material frame.

The "evidence" for the afterlife is attested to by eyewitness accounts of the resurrection of Jesus.

You may not believe it, but that doesn't make it untrue.

While it makes sense that the body of flesh will die, as all evidence shows, it makes no sense for one to think that the death of the body means the end of life.

First Law of Thermodynamics: Energy can be changed from one form to another, but it cannot be created or destroyed. The total amount of energy and matter in the Universe remains constant, merely changing from one form to another.

@kingdavid403 said
First Law of Thermodynamics: Energy can be changed from one form to another, but it cannot be created or destroyed. The total amount of energy and matter in the Universe remains constant, merely changing from one form to another.

Which is precisely why the universal is eternal. Matter has always existed in one form or another.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Which is precisely why the universal is eternal. Matter has always existed in one form or another.

That's an opinion some have; however, we do know that the universe is constantly growing; with new stars and planets being created all the time. My point was, that our beings are made of energy.

@rajk999 said
I dont even have to check. I know I did not write that. You modified my post Like I already said to KD, some of you Christians truly have the Spirit of God, with your underhanded lying and deceiving.

Obviously I modified it. It was a joke Mr. Sense-of-humor.