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@kingdavid403 said
No! not at all!
Is the love of an atheist inferior to that of a theist?
It can, and is, the complete opposite in many cases.

Come on old chap, how am I expected to argue with that? 😀

If love and faith are inseparable (as you stated) how is it possible to have love without faith?

@fmf said
You are the one who uses the word "conduit".

Yes, that's the first word that comes to my mind, when attempting to describe how Jesus and His teachings are intertwined or accepted, in almost all religions; especially, Eastern religions. Jesus is highly regarded in almost all religions of the world. How's that? If not,
please give me a better word for the future? if you would. 🙂

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Come on old chap, how am I expected to argue with that? 😀

If love and faith are inseparable (as you stated) how is it possible to have love without faith?

Where did I say that love and faith were inseparable? I said: 'one cannot separate good works from faith; that they pretty much go hand in hand.' According to scriptures, one can have faith without love; and, it says we are worth nothing if we become that way.

@kingdavid403 said
Where did I say that love and faith were inseparable? I said: 'one cannot separate good works from faith; that they pretty much go hand in hand.' According to scriptures, one can have faith without love; and, it says we are worth nothing if we become that way.

When Rajk posted, 'charitable love is greater than a doctrine based on faith.'

You answered. 'They both go hand in hand; they cannot be separated; in my opinion.'


Are atheists not capable of charitable love?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
When Rajk posted, 'charitable love is greater than a doctrine based on faith.'

You answered. 'They both go hand in hand; they cannot be separated; in my opinion.'


Are atheists not capable of charitable love?

When Rajk posted, 'charitable love is greater than a doctrine based on faith. 'You answered. 'They both go hand in hand; they cannot be separated; in my opinion.'
This conversation with Rajik goes back sometime. I'll do my best here.
[James 2:14-20 NKJV] 14 What [does it] profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, "Depart in peace, be warmed and filled," but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what [does it] profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. 18 But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe--and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? etc."
This is what I mean by 'hand in hand.'
One cannot just run around doing good works as notches in their belts, so to speak. A love in doing good must be there also.
Are atheists not capable of charitable love?
Of course they are; unless you know something that I don't.
We are all made in the image of God, that includes you damn atheists. 😛

@kingdavid403 said
When Rajk posted, 'charitable love is greater than a doctrine based on faith. 'You answered. 'They both go hand in hand; they cannot be separated; in my opinion.'
This conversation with Rajik goes back sometime. I'll do my best here.
[James 2:14-20 NKJV] 14 What [does it] profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith sa ...[text shortened]... something that I don't.
We are all made in the image of God, that includes you damn atheists. 😛

We tend to wear better shoes and tell funnier jokes.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
We tend to wear better shoes and tell funnier jokes.

lol... no harm intended. You're probably right. I haven't heard many good Christian jokes; and, I buy my shoes at Walmart. lol...

@kingdavid403 said
lol... no harm intended. You're probably right. I haven't heard many good Christian jokes; and, I buy my shoes at Walmart. lol...

Christian jokes aren't my specialty, but I Noah guy.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Christian jokes aren't my specialty, but I Noah guy.

😉 Nice pun. lol..

@kingdavid403 said
Jesus and His teachings are intertwined or accepted, in almost all religions; especially, Eastern religions.

So, you don't see 'who Jesus was' as being the essential thing about Jesus, in the way that other Christians do? I don't see how the claim that he was God incarnate and stuff like doctrine of atonement and him rising from the dead is "intertwined" with or "accepted" by any other religion.

@kingdavid403 said
When Rajk posted, 'charitable love is greater than a doctrine based on faith. 'You answered. 'They both go hand in hand; they cannot be separated; in my opinion.'
This conversation with Rajik goes back sometime. I'll do my best here.
[James 2:14-20 NKJV] 14 What [does it] profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith sa ...[text shortened]... something that I don't.
We are all made in the image of God, that includes you damn atheists. 😛

I get the impression that James is saying the opposite.

You interpret James -
One cannot just run around doing good works as notches in their belts, so to speak. A love in doing good must be there also.

I think James is saying
One cannot just run around proclaiming to have faith and not do good works. That persons faith is dead

Personally I do not know anyone who runs around doing good works as notches in their belts, neither is that idea supported in the bible. The judge of whose works are good and whose are not is Christ.

Faith is an expression of a belief
Works is charity.
They are separate and independent
Faith alone is dead
Works alone is alive
Faith and Works together is perfection.

@rajk999 said
I get the impression that James is saying the opposite.

You interpret James -
One cannot just run around doing good works as notches in their belts, so to speak. A love in doing good must be there also.

I think James is saying
One cannot just run around proclaiming to have faith and not do good works. That persons faith is dead

Personally I do no ...[text shortened]... and independent
Faith alone is dead
Works alone is alive
Faith and Works together is perfection.

Works alone are nothing without love. Having faith alone is nothing as well without love.

@kellyjay said
Works alone are nothing without love. Having faith alone is nothing as well without love.

I guess James needs to attend your church to get this stuff right.

@rajk999 said
I guess James needs to attend your church to get this stuff right.

No, there is nothing in James that goes against what I just said.
Once again, you really should study the whole Bible.

@kellyjay said
No, there is nothing in James that goes against what I just said.
Once again, you really should study the whole Bible.

James needs to study the whole bible as well.