02 Feb 22
@sonship saidSee my post at 18:24. If FMF claimed to be 'agnostic' he could be considered to be making a statement of belief, that being that he held a belief that the existence and nature of a god is inherently unknowable. His use of the term 'agnostic atheist' clarifies his status of belief.
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Prestiege is a better word maybe than clout.
I think you want the prestiege of one showing that there is no God.
But when unable to show it, you can back into agnosticism - "Well I don't know that there is no God."
What's the harm in just saying "Well, I don't KNOW that here is no God. I am an agnostic?"
Is there a loss of respect in you taking that position with some of your friends?
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02 Feb 22
@FMF
Courage?
Courage?
What on earth do you mean by courage?
I mean it smacks of some cowardice to not be able to claim "I am an atheist PERIOD"
Excuse the caps. That's to grab attention.
Subtract .5 of a minor point on the caps.
Which is stronger the agnostic side of you being an agnostic atheist or the atheist side of it? Which are you more committed to?
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See my post at 18:24. If FMF claimed to be 'agnostic' he could be considered to be making a statement of belief, that being that he held a belief that the existence and nature of a god is inherently unknowable.
A statement of agnosticism can be backed up depending on how he means.
"I don't know if God exists or not" I think can be demonstrated.
" I don't know if God exists or not. AND no one else does either." is harder to demonstrate.
I consider these two forms of agnosticism weaker and stronger.
Weaker does not mean weak. Its relative thing.
"Agnostic atheist" is like no position or an obfuscated one concocted to be the easiest to defend.
02 Feb 22
@sonship saidThere is an accepted definition of the term 'agnostic atheist'. If you feel that it is easy to defend, that seems to suggest that you see the wisdom of the position.
@avalanchethecatSee my post at 18:24. If FMF claimed to be 'agnostic' he could be considered to be making a statement of belief, that being that he held a belief that the existence and nature of a god is inherently unknowable.
A statement of agnosticism can be backed up depending on how he means.
"I don't know if God exists or not" I think can be ...[text shortened]... "Agnostic atheist" is like no position or an obfuscated one concocted to be the easiest to defend.
02 Feb 22
@fmf saidSeems to me, if you're that convinced the Bible is irrelevant to knowing God, it is irrational for you to even bother with generating discussions about its veracity.
If there is a creator entity, I have come to the conclusion that the Bible has nothing to do with it. I believe the Bible is an anthropological artefact.
Or is it just confirmation bias you're engaged in?