1. Standard memberDasa
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    The following is meant for every person on the earth and beyond...........(it is non sectarian)

    Anything that goes against this is ignorance.

    To make the most out of life then we need to know what is the greatest achievement possible in life.

    If we were to ask the average person what the greatest thing he could achieve in his life was the answers would almost all center around increasing material facilities for the gratification of his, or his families, material senses. People would like to become very wealthy, very beautiful, very powerful, very famous, etc. It is all self-centered. In this materialistic, selfish, self-centered world we have come to think a successful life means providing for our personal sense gratification.

    The truth is this concept of sense gratification is only an illusion. It is not actually possible for us to enjoy in the material world. The actual enjoyable substance is not present here in the material world. This material world is called ‘maya’, it means ’that which is not’. We have the idea of pleasure, the idea of love, etc. But the actual pleasure, the actual love, it is not to be found here in the material world. This material world is a perverted reflection of the spiritual world. The spiritual world is the Kingdom of God. The place where Krishna lives in association with His devotees. The real pleasure is there in the spiritual world. Trying to enjoy in the material world is like trying to enjoy the taste of the mangos on a tree that is reflected in the water of a lake. We can not taste the mangos in the reflection of the tree. We can get the idea of the mangos from the reflection, but to taste them we need the actual tree, not the reflection.

    Although we strive to be the master the reality is we are all eternally servants. We have no choice but to serve. That is our nature. You can study any person in this world, even the so-called greatest man, and you will find he is a servant. The President is the servant of his countrymen and if they are not happy with his service they will drag him down from office. So in this way everyone is a servant. No one is independent. But serving in the material world is not satisfying. We can only be actually happy by serving Krishna.

    Before spiritual life is really possible we have to realize that this material world is not our home. We are in a very hostile foreign country. And we can never be happy here in this hostile foreign country. To be happy we have to go back home, back to Godhead. So there is no point in trying to make a comfortable arrangement here in the material world. It is not possible. We can never be happy in the material world. That is like a fish trying to be happy out of the water. It is not possible. The fish needs to live in the watery atmosphere. The fish can never be happy on the land. Similarly we are spiritual entities and we can only be happy in the spiritual atmosphere. We can never be happy in the material atmosphere.

    We all have our karma, our destiny. It is already fixed up, how much we will ‘enjoy’ and how much we will suffer here in the material world. We can not change it. So once we understand this we can ‘make the best use of a bad bargain’ and use this human form of life as a way to elevated our consciousness to Krishna consciousness. The human form of life is a very valuable boat and we can use this valuable boat to cross over this material world, which is likened to an ocean of darkness, and reach the spiritual world on the other side.

    Krishna saying in the Bhagavad-gita (Chapter 8, Text 5):

    And whoever, at the time of death, quits his body, remembering Me alone, at once attains My nature. Of this there is no doubt.

    In this verse the importance of Krishna consciousness is stressed. Anyone who quits his body in Krishna consciousness is at once transferred to the transcendental abode of the Supreme Lord. The word “remembering" is important. Remembrance of Krishna is not possible for the impure soul who has not practiced Krishna consciousness in devotional service. To remember Krishna one should chant the maha-mantra, Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare, incessantly, following in the footsteps of Lord Caitanya, being more tolerant than the tree, humbler than the grass and offering all respect to others without requiring respect in return. In such a way one will be able to depart from the body successfully remembering Krishna and so attain the supreme goal.

    So here we have the key to understanding the perfection of the human form of life. Our human form of life is perfect if we can remember Krishna at the time of death. We should never forget this. And we will not be able to remember Krishna at the time of death unless we practice remembering Krishna during our lives. The purpose of Krishna consciousness is to live in such a way that we always, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, are constantly remembering Krishna. Death can come at any moment. We do not know if we will still be living in this body in one hours time. At any moment we can die. So the devotee is very careful to fill every moment of his life with Krishna consciousness. We need to adjust our lives so our every action is performed for Krishna under the direction of a pure devotee of Krishna.

    This art of living for Krishna, working for Krishna, doing everything for Krishna, this is the science of Krishna consciousness and Srila Prabhupada has given us all the secrets as to how to easily practice Krishna consciousness in his books. So we need to read Srila Prabhupada’s books and put the instructions of Srila Prabhupada into practice on our practical day-to-day lives. That will lead to a very blissful and ecstatic existence for us in the material world and will cause us to remember Krishna at the time of death which will guarantee that at the time of quitting this material body we will go back home back to Godhead to serve Krishna there in the association of the pure devotees of Krishna.

    Written by Madhudvisa Das
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    09 Sep '15 06:59
    Originally posted by Dasa
    Anything that goes against this is ignorance...
    This approach has not served you well in the past and it will not serve you well in the future. If you genuinely think you have an important message for your fellow community members, perhaps you should consider an approach that serves you better.
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    09 Sep '15 07:531 edit
    Originally posted by FMF
    This approach has not served you well in the past and it will not serve you well in the future. If you genuinely think you have an important message for your fellow community members, perhaps you should consider an approach that serves you better.
    perhaps you should address the content rather than the proposer, who knows you may do better.
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    09 Sep '15 07:561 edit
    Originally posted by Dasa
    The following is meant for every person on the earth and beyond...........(it is non sectarian)

    Anything that goes against this is ignorance.

    To make the most out of life then we need to know what is the greatest achievement possible in life.

    If we were to ask the average person what the greatest thing he could achieve in his life was the answers would ...[text shortened]... e Krishna there in the association of the pure devotees of Krishna.

    Written by Madhudvisa Das
    I disagree i think it is possible to enjoy material things. We enjoy food, drink, exercise, warm sunshine, a massage etc etc Right now I am enjoying an apple, its very tasty.
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    09 Sep '15 08:00
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    perhaps you should address the content rather than the proposer, who knows you may do better.
    The content was prefaced with "Anything that goes against this is ignorance". There are too many engaging 'thinkers' out there for us to worry overly about those who preface their "content" in such a way. I am simply offering Dasa some polite advice.😉
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    09 Sep '15 08:06
    Originally posted by FMF
    The content was prefaced with "Anything that goes against this is ignorance". There are too many engaging 'thinkers' out there for us to worry overly about those who preface their "content" in such a way. I am simply offering Dasa some polite advice.😉
    As you do, anyway i don't think what he says can be substantiated. We can and do enjoy material things, i don't want to eat a spiritual mango, i like mangoes from a mango tree. Its not an illusion to enjoy a mango. His approach is purely conceptual and not a very practical concept at that unless of course I have failed to grasp what he is saying or there is a hidden deeper meaning.
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    09 Sep '15 13:56
    Originally posted by Dasa
    The following is meant for every person on the earth and beyond...........(it is non sectarian)

    Anything that goes against this is ignorance.

    To make the most out of life then we need to know what is the greatest achievement possible in life.

    If we were to ask the average person what the greatest thing he could achieve in his life was the answers would ...[text shortened]... e Krishna there in the association of the pure devotees of Krishna.

    Written by Madhudvisa Das
    what a long winded crock of crap
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    09 Sep '15 20:06
    Originally posted by Dasa

    The truth is this concept of sense gratification is only an illusion. It is not actually possible for us to enjoy in the material world. The actual enjoyable substance is not present here in the material world.
    I just think I'm enjoying a beer?
    It's not real?
    Then I guess your post isn't real too, just an illusion.
    As is my reply.
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    Originally posted by redbadger
    what a long winded crock of crap
    Back of the net.
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    09 Sep '15 20:47
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    I disagree i think it is possible to enjoy material things. We enjoy food, drink, exercise, warm sunshine, a massage etc etc Right now I am enjoying an apple, its very tasty.
    Sounds like a holiday in Thailand would tick all the boxes Robbie.
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    10 Sep '15 00:52
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    I just think I'm enjoying a beer?
    It's not real?
    Then I guess your post isn't real too, just an illusion.
    As is my reply.
    No it's not (?)
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    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    No it's not (?)
    Oh yes it is.
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    10 Sep '15 11:08
    Originally posted by FMF
    This approach has not served you well in the past and it will not serve you well in the future. If you genuinely think you have an important message for your fellow community members, perhaps you should consider an approach that serves you better.
    You are certainly an envious creature.

    Did you learn anything at all from this post.

    Tell me one positive thing you learnt from reading the post.
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    10 Sep '15 11:27
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    As you do, anyway i don't think what he says can be substantiated. We can and do enjoy material things, i don't want to eat a spiritual mango, i like mangoes from a mango tree. Its not an illusion to enjoy a mango. His approach is purely conceptual and not a very practical concept at that unless of course I have failed to grasp what he is saying or there is a hidden deeper meaning.
    Material enjoyment is an illusion.

    And why is that?

    Because the materialist must chase sense enjoyment over and over and over and over.

    He must continually seek objects of sense gratification.

    Many times those objects are far out of reach.

    He becomes frustrated.

    He then becomes angry.

    He may even become involved with criminal activity to get quick money so he can get those sense objects.

    He may even kill someone to feed his lust to get those sense objects.

    The pure devotee of the Lord sits quietly and experiences transcendental bliss and contentment by simply being Krsna Conscious.

    This Krsna Consciousness is experienced in the heart and is free and is always with you under every circumstance.

    Krsna Consciousness (God Consciousness) is the real enjoyment.

    And not the indulging of the material senses.

    And when one has given up material sense enjoyment....... he experiences transcendental sense enjoyment which is beyond all material sense enjoyment put together.

    Even the thought of mundane sex makes him curl his lips and spit at the thought.

    He has now raised his mundane consciousness into Krsna/God Consciousness.
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    10 Sep '15 21:09
    Originally posted by Dasa
    Material enjoyment is an illusion.

    And why is that?
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    Before you can even ask the question "why" you must establish the fact.

    Otherwise I can ask you.
    Why do you molest little children?
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