memorial of Christs death

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
love feast, what are you talking about? the memorial was a communion meal, between
Christ and his disciples who would be party to the new covenant made with God, on behalf
of the disciples, to be part of the Heavenly Kingdom. If you are part of that heavenly
government, which the Bibles states clearly are the 144,000, who are with the lamb,
...[text shortened]... which is solidly based on
scripture and then proceeding to make false claims upon that basis.

Love feast=communion, why I expected you to know that is a mystery even to me. I await your attempt at a biblical explanation as to why you think only the 144,000 should partake in communion... This should interesting😕

Originally posted by Doward
Love feast=communion, why I expected you to know that is a mystery even to me. I await your attempt at a biblical explanation as to why you think only the 144,000 should partake in communion... This should interesting😕

because they constitute members of the Kingdom, who will rule as Kings and priests!
now we are asked, rule over what? if every one is a member of the Kingdom,
then the statement, rule as Kings and priests makes absolutely no sense, does it, for
they will have no one to exercise dominion over, will they. That is why the scriptures
speak of a new heavens (symbolic of that heavenly government) and a new earth, or
new earthly society, symbolic of those that will inherit the earth and as the psalmists
states, will reside forever upon it. You do read the Bible from time to time? as for the
statement, this should be interesting, may i remind you that i am not here for your
entertainment like some monkey on an organ, if you want to mock me, do so properly.

Originally posted by Conrau K
[b]Of course it should be celebrated on the same evening, there are, as you are aware,
intrinsic similarities, for as Paul states, 'Christ our passover, has been sacrificed.'

Yes, I know, I basically said as much. Again, I still don't see why the date should be retained. Paul after all did not recommend that Jewish rituals be retained, so why should Christians continue to observe this day?[/b]

this needs some study and thought, ill need to get back to you, for I am conscious of
committing myself to the statement that the memorial was intrinsically linked to the
passover without details and references.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
because they constitute members of the Kingdom, who will rule as Kings and priests!
now we are asked, rule over what? if every one is a member of the Kingdom,
then the statement, rule as Kings and priests makes absolutely no sense, does it, for
they will have no one to exercise dominion over, will they. That is why the scriptures
speak of ...[text shortened]... e for your
entertainment like some monkey on an organ, if you want to mock me, do so properly.

I assume from your post that you have no biblical foundation to support only the 144,000 recieving communion, and thus that makes the JW ritual a useless practice, it might as well be the valley of dry bones.

Originally posted by Doward
I assume from your post that you have no biblical foundation to support only the 144,000 recieving communion, and thus that makes the JW ritual a useless practice, it might as well be the valley of dry bones.

you may assume anything you like, basing anything on an assumption is folly at best,
perhaps that is why, you have failed to discern any of the points that were
addressed to you. When you have an understanding of another's belief and why
they profess those, you may have recourse to make a proper evaluation, as it
stands, it just another mouthy person talking of assumptions based on what little
knowledge they possess. I know why i profess the things i do, i have even
substantiated them Biblically, as yet, you have not produced one Biblical reference,
nor commented upon any that have been provided, which has led me to the
conclusion, that frankly, you dont know what you are talking about, but worse than
that, you are trying to project that ignorance onto others.

As I stated to divegeester, unless your faith finds expression, as our does, in acts or
deeds of conduct befitting Christians, all your words amount to nothing but a hollow
piece of brass, a clashing cymbal, deviod of both substance and meaning, and I
hardly need to remind you of the thoroughly scurrilous and reprehensible deeds of
the Catholic church, let it serve as a lesson to you, in the hope, that if future, you
may think twice before castigating others of a different faith.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
you may assume anything you like, basing anything on an assumption is folly at best,
perhaps that is why, you have failed to discern any of the points that were
addressed to you. When you have an understanding of another's belief and why
they profess those, you may have recourse to make a proper evaluation, as it
stands, it just another mout ...[text shortened]... the hope, that if future, you
may think twice before castigating others of a different faith.

again, I will have to assume from your lack of scriptural documentation that you cannot justify the JW's heresy of denying communion to believers. Well done.

Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ? Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all partake of the one loaf. 1 Corinthians 10:16-17 (NIV)

And when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, "This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me." In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me." For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes. 1 Corinthians 11:24-26 (NIV)

Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day." John 6:53-54 (NIV)


There is no mention in any of these scriptures that prohibit any believer from participating. So why then would you or anyone else waist there time in a fruitless ritual?

Originally posted by Doward
again, I will have to assume from your lack of scriptural documentation that you cannot justify the JW's heresy of denying communion to believers. Well done.

Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ? Because there is one loaf, we, ticipating. So why then would you or anyone else waist there time in a fruitless ritual?

are you deliberately being evasive , for i cannot believe that you are really that
stupid, there were no fewer than eight biblical references, to wit,

the lamb and the 144,00, who reside upon mount Zion
the great crowd who stand before the throne and the lamb as a distinct group
a covenant arrangement that Christ made with his disciples for a Kingdom on the
memorial occasion,
those who are destined to be part of that arrangement will rule as kings and
priests
a new heavens
a new earth
the righteous who will reside upon the earth

please tell me which one of these concepts, which are all in some way related to the
question yet evades you?

We believe on the basis of these scriptures that there are two distinct groups, those
who will rule with Christ in heaven and those who will reside on a paradise earth.
We believe that Christ made a covenant with those, on the memorial occasion,
who will rule with him. If you profess to be of that group you partake of the
emblems, if you harbour a different hope, that of living under that kingdom
arrangement as a loyal subject of Gods Kingdom on a paradise earth, you do not
partake and simply observe. This is our belief based on the scriptural concepts
above.

Please tell the forum when you attended a memorial celebration of Jehovahs
witnesses and what was expound upon on that occasion? If you cannot nor will not,
how are we to evaluate your statement of a fruitless ritual? other than, you are
prejudiced and have absolutely no idea what you are talking about?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
are you deliberately being evasive , for i cannot believe that you are really that
stupid, there were no fewer than eight biblical references, to wit,

the lamb and the 144,00, who reside upon mount Zion
the great crowd who stand before the throne and the lamb as a distinct group
a covenant arrangement that Christ made with his disciples for ...[text shortened]... itual? other than, you are
prejudiced and have absolutely no idea what you are talking about?

again... you offer no biblical references that prohibit believers from communion, I on the other hand have offered sufficient evidence. There was no special covenant made with the "144,000" at the last supper. I have read the passage hundreds of times in my lifetime and can assure you that no such special arrangement exists except in the deluded teachings of the Russellites. You need to read 1 Corinth 10 and 11. Clearly Communion is for EVERYONE!

The discussion of the "144,000" is a whole 'nother thread.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
what is it about holding it on an annual celebration that yet evades you?

you have no evidence that Christ meant it to be anything other than an annual
celebration, for there is none mentioned, no not once, in fact, what you are doing is
going beyond what is written.

I resent your term cult, in fact, i could take it to pieces, but what ...[text shortened]... rate it after the manner of Christ, this you
cannot deny, for the pattern is set in scripture.

Give up on him Robbie. He's choosing to be blind to the obvious and is just here to argue as usual.

Originally posted by Doward
again... you offer no biblical references that prohibit believers from communion, I on the other hand have offered sufficient evidence. There was no special covenant made with the "144,000" at the last supper. I have read the passage hundreds of times in my lifetime and can assure you that no such special arrangement exists except in the deluded teachings of ...[text shortened]... ly Communion is for EVERYONE!

The discussion of the "144,000" is a whole 'nother thread.

I have provided biblical references, eight of them to be precise.

No its not open to everyone for it has to do with being party to the covenant that Christ instituted for a Kingdom, that is with those who will rule with him as Kings and priests for clearly that cannot be with reference to all believers, otherwise none of those scriptural references that i cited make any sense when viewed in the light of your assertion. As for your statement you have provided no reasoning whatsoever, all you have done is cited two scriptural references and not put meaning into either of them. It may interest you to know that the Russelites were a different organisation and many of the teaching of Russell himself have been abandoned when viewed in other scriptural light.

I notice you have failed to tell the forum when and where you attended a memorial celebration and what you learned on that occasion, can we therefore take it that your prejudice knows no bounds and in fact you have neither any knowledge of nor experience of what transpires there and in fact are talking nonsense when you state that its an empty ritual?

Originally posted by galveston75
Give up on him Robbie. He's choosing to be blind to the obvious and is just here to argue as usual.

you might be right, but i view it as an opportunity to exercise patience for i think that if
he understands why we differentiate between the two, even if he does not believe it,
he can at least understand why.

what he fails to realise that the mass of today differs very differently from the simple
ceremony instituted by Jesus, no golden robed priests, no purple cloaks, no golden
goblets, no incense , no kissing the ruby encrusted ring of the officiating priest, its
mock worthy, the extent of the bastardisation that has taken place. They have made
it into a common and mundane event, rather than a special occasion.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
you might be right, but i view it as an opportunity to exercise patience for i think that if
he understands why we differentiate between the two, even if he does not believe it,
he can at least understand why.

what he fails to realise that the mass of today differs very differently from the simple
ceremony instituted by Jesus, no golden ro ...[text shortened]... ken place. They have made
it into a common and mundane event, rather than a special occasion.

Yes false religion has polluted and diluted the truth in such special events like this that most no longer see the importance of it or have been so confused by false religious practices that they don't have the slightest clue what the Bible is even about. I guess I have to be more patient too....

Originally posted by galveston75
Yes false religion has polluted and changed the truth in such special events like this that most no longer see the importance of it or have been so confused by false religious practices that they don't have the slightest clue what the Bible is even about. I guess I have to be more patient too....

Lol, we all do, but in cases like this, the best we can hope for is at least a mutual
understanding 🙂

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
you might be right, but i view it as an opportunity to exercise patience for i think that if
he understands why we differentiate between the two, even if he does not believe it,
he can at least understand why.

what he fails to realise that the mass of today differs very differently from the simple
ceremony instituted by Jesus, no golden ro ...[text shortened]... ken place. They have made
it into a common and mundane event, rather than a special occasion.

what he fails to realise that the mass of today differs very differently from the simple
ceremony instituted by Jesus, no golden robed priests, no purple cloaks, no golden
goblets, no incense , no kissing the ruby encrusted ring of the officiating priest, its
mock worthy, the extent of the bastardisation that has taken place. They have made
it into a common and mundane event, rather than a special occasion.

Look, I quit appreciate that the Mass has changed. I am something of an amateur liturgical scholar and am quite aware of differences between Latin rite and Byzantine rites (among others.) I appreciate that the form of the Mass changes (for that matter, though, priests do not wear golden robes, most Masses do not have incense, and the priest does not wear a ruby-encrusted ring.) What I do not see, and what you have failed to explain, is any scriptural or historical evidence that the celebration of the Lord's supper should be an exclusively annual event.

It may interest you to know that many Orthodox Christians agree that too frequent celebration of Mass might lead to a trivialisation and perception that it is mundane. That is why it is generally celebrated only on Sundays. This appears to be the ancient practice.