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@darfius saidHe didn't even begin to talk about the abysmal morals shown by leaders in the church, those whom one assumes are "religious".
It's unreasonable because history shows it to be untrue and it's insufficient because it means that morality, rather than being objective and binding, is subjective and opportunistic, which means that when a man or group of men "evolve" to the point of no longer needing communal aid, there is nothing stopping them from removing potential threats to their hegemony but vestigia ...[text shortened]... n, and in particular human evolution. Your theory is simply untrue vis-à-vis the historical record.
There's no need to get into the abysmal lack of evidence for evolution, and in particular human evolution. Your theory is simply untrue vis-à-vis the historical record.
This is laughably false.
@suzianne saidThe first written law codes we have demonstrating mankind's morality are tied to beliefs in deity. So if you're laughing, it's because you're an ignorant idiot, as you have displayed on this forum many times before.
He didn't even begin to talk about the abysmal morals shown by leaders in the church, those whom one assumes are "religious".
There's no need to get into the abysmal lack of evidence for evolution, and in particular human evolution. Your theory is simply untrue vis-à-vis the historical record.
This is laughably false.
@darfius saidDon't let the door hit you in your self-important ass on the way out.
Although I applaud little Suzy Q for being the only one brave--or in her case stupid--enough to actually address what I say. I'm starting to wonder if it's even worth my time being here, as people are either too afraid to deal with my arguments or too dishonest to admit their power.
@darfius saidA lack of evidence for evolution?
The first written law codes we have demonstrating mankind's morality are tied to beliefs in deity. So if you're laughing, it's because you're an ignorant idiot, as you have displayed on this forum many times before.
I have to assume you are joking. If not, I'd have to assume you're simply lying. Or just ignorant.
@suzianne saidIt's not me that's important, Suzy Q, it's the truth itself. Unfortunately, I seem to be one of the few willing to defend it, so I have to be a bit more boisterous than I would like to be to make sure the point gets across.
Don't let the door hit you in your self-important ass on the way out.
@suzianne saidWell you know what they say about assuming. Taking on an incredulous tone is not an argument for evolution. We need transitional fossils, which do not exist in the numbers necessary to be unable to dismiss them as frauds, as most of those "discovered" have been found to be already. And Darwinian ideas about speciation are things of the past: https://evolutionnews.org/2017/04/two-genetic-blows-against-darwinian-speciation/
A lack of evidence for evolution?
I have to assume you are joking. If not, I'd have to assume you're simply lying. Or just ignorant.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidYou never had me. A wolf pack can work together to kill a deer, a pride of lions can work together to kill a buffalo neither of those ponder the morality of those actions. You said that as if it automatically follows one leads to the next. You have not addressed my concerns, you simply repeat what you said, and say how important them doing that was.
Where did I lose you kelly?!
@kellyjay saidWhen you ponder them, what do you think is "the morality of those actions" vis a vis the killing of "a deer" and the killing of "a buffalo"? When humans kill "a deer" and "a buffalo" what do you think is "the morality of those actions"?
A wolf pack can work together to kill a deer, a pride of lions can work together to kill a buffalo neither of those ponder the morality of those actions.
@darfius saidThe first written law codes may reference the local deities to give them gravitas
The first written law codes we have demonstrating mankind's morality are tied to beliefs in deity.
but are not due to those deities. (Or do you think those deities existed?)
Man created the laws.
Man created the deities.
btw ... about 5,000 years ago. Mesopotamia.
@darfius saidNevermind that most "speciation" doesn't produce "transitional" fossils, since the transitions themselves become their own species.
Well you know what they say about assuming. Taking on an incredulous tone is not an argument for evolution. We need transitional fossils, which do not exist in the numbers necessary to be unable to dismiss them as frauds, as most of those "discovered" have been found to be already. And Darwinian ideas about speciation are things of the past: https://evolutionnews.org/2017/04/two-genetic-blows-against-darwinian-speciation/