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Originally posted by divegeester (in bold)
Yep, spot on. Should be called the "no spirituality" forum or the "philosophy of religion" forum.
The philosophy of religion? That would be accurate and there's nothing wrong with that. Most people are going to take exception to (read: debate) spiritual beliefs (or the lack thereof) that are different from their own. There is a great deal of intolerance in beliefs that are diametrically opposed to one's own. Hey, I'm a part of that; I no longer harbor any tolerance for religious opinion that excludes facts, women, cultures, races; you name it - religion is too often the crutch for allowing intolerant views and behavior that marginalizes others. No more for me. I will speak against it and I will in strong terms. I will not allow those views anywhere near me in my home, my business, in the places that I go. I will call any injustice for what it is and say "It is not so." If that offends someone's belief system, hey, that's tough - they're just words.
I don't know if there are any Mormons on this forum but perhaps they would explain some of their beliefs?
I know a great deal about Mormons. I disagree with a lot of what and how they believe, but I know what they believe and their praxis of that belief. What sort of enlightenment would you expect to gain from an explanation of beliefs?
i will tell you one thing about lds women. they are not degraded as a poster noted. the amish, the mennonite and the anabaptists are all "preservative christians" who have patriachial societies...( as well as orthodox jews ). this is not degrading of women. it is a structure that divides duties that reflects regligious teaching and can also be seen in the natural world ( where is mufasa when you need him ? ). the mormons view eve of the garden as not the first to sin as do mainline christians ( being tempted by satan to seek the forbidden fruit ) but as a free woman who chose thru free will agency to create children by
taking from the tree, etc. the mormon mother is the bedrock of the family. mormon children are raised not to drink, swear or have pre-marital intercourse ( and of course individuals fail here and there as they are only people ) because they try to stay at home to raise the family in the years when children need a mother.
you are correct. adam is held responsible as he agreed to eve's decision. also i would point out that the mormons do not believe in original sin ( pretty sure about this ) and the atonement of the christ was for adam's error. we all start out without sin and if we fall into it the atonement of the christ also acts as our salvation for it but we did not inherit adam's error at our birth ( but lds people should correct me here if i have misspoke ...
the mormons use the king james version as official canon. before his death joseph smith was editing the kjv to show a newer understanding but the work was not completed before his murder at carthage. i agree that lds does not accept the bible in the way that say the southern baptist would. the book of mormon and the other parts of the lds canon would interpret things differently than say the typical baptist preacher and so that is one of the reasons why lds are charged with being non-christian. lds also belive that mary is a virgin at conception but not at the birth of christ. a very fundamental difference with mainline christianity.
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Originally posted by reinfeldThis would depend on what you call degrading. If the spirituality, the afterlife, is what is important then the Mormon theology does degrade women by holding them as being lesser in a spiritual sense. A woman must be sealed with a man for salvation, with one man; however, a man may be sealed with any number of women, and his salvation comes from elsewhere and sealing for salvation is not mandatory. This is just one example of many, and their talk is just talk - in theology and praxis a different message stems forth.
i will tell you one thing about lds women. they are not degraded as a poster noted. the amish, the mennonite and the anabaptists are all "preservative christians" who have patriachial societies...( as well as orthodox jews ). this is not degrading of women. it is a structure that divides duties that reflects regligious teaching and can also be seen in t ...[text shortened]... because they try to stay at home to raise the family in the years when children need a mother.