Originally posted by robbie carrobieHere is exactly what I said: Well maybe, in certain cases, but surely if the notion of "commitment for life" in a marriage ~ in a given culture ~ were to result in women suffering ongoing physical abuse and feeling that there were no hope of escaping it, then it certainly ought not to be extolled.
Thats the impression that you gave me
Which is NOT the same as "There is not a single iota of evidence that a commitment to marriage leads to violence and suffering" which is what you said.
You are pretending to misunderstand what I am saying because you want to avoid addressing it.
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Originally posted by FMFyour assertion is that a commitment to marriage for life results in suffering and ongoing violence, if thats not what you are saying then your statement makes NO SENSE and i really have no idea what it is you are really saying.
Here is exactly what I said: Well maybe, in certain cases, but surely if the notion of "commitment for life" in a marriage ~ in a given culture ~ were to result in women suffering ongoing physical abuse and feeling that there were no hope of escaping it, then it certainly ought not to be extolled.
Which is NOT the same as "There is not a single iota of eviden ...[text shortened]...
You are pretending to misunderstand what I am saying because you want to avoid addressing it.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieSo learning that rape is legally and culturally acceptable within a given society doesn't change your view of that particular society? Even now knowing that girls as young as 16 can be raped?
Dude I am aware of what happens in Indian society, of what cultural values shape that behaviour. No it does not change my view because Indians/Pakistanis understand that marriage should be for life and the factor that you mention does not change this understanding.
I wonder if your daughter would feel the same?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI think you are pretending not to understand.
your assertion is that a commitment to marriage for life results in suffering and ongoing violence, if thats not what you are saying then your statement makes NO SENSE and i really have no idea what it is you are really saying.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWould you welcome a higher divorce rate in India if it meant that women were removing themselves from serious abuse at the hands of violent men?
On the contrary entering into a marriage with the viewpoint that its a commitment for life can and will be extolled whether you like it or not.
Originally posted by Proper KnobNo one has stated that its culturally acceptable, where are you getting the idea from that its culturally acceptable, please provide your reference.
So learning that rape is legally and culturally acceptable within a given society doesn't change your view of that particular society? Even now knowing that girls as young as 16 can be raped?
I wonder if your daughter would feel the same?
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Originally posted by FMFActually your question is nonsense, you do not need to divorce someone to remove yourself from serious abuse.
Would you welcome a higher divorce rate in India if it meant that women were removing themselves from serious abuse at the hands of violent men?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieBut would you welcome divorces that had that outcome [ i.e. them removing themselves from serious abuse at the hands of violent men] if and when women in India chose to resort to divorce?
Actually your question is nonsense, you do not need to divorce someone to remove yourself from serious abuse.
Originally posted by FMFI don't welcome any divorce i would much rather the symptoms which led to the divorce were tackled.
But would you welcome divorces that had that outcome [ i.e. them removing themselves from serious abuse at the hands of violent men] if and when women in India chose to resort to divorce?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWould you advise battered women to stay put in their abusive marriages while these symptoms change and perhaps the entire Indian marital culture ~ which you single out as some sort of paragon ~ and Indian culture generally, is "tackled"?
I don't welcome any divorce i would much rather the symptoms which led to the divorce were tackled.
Surely change for women who are victims of violence comes from their empowerment and safe escape from violent men who abuse them?
You think violent men should continue to exert control over the finances of the women they battered even after they have separated from them?
Doesn't divorce enable women to embark on independent, post-violence lives?
Have you spent any time at all thinking about the reality of domestic violence?
Originally posted by FMFI would advise anyone to remove themselves from a situation where they are subject to violence or abuse. I would never advise anyone to seek a divorce, its a personal matter for them and them alone. This is the last time I will say this.
Would you advise battered women to stay put in their abusive marriages while these symptoms change and perhaps the entire Indian marital culture ~ which you single out as some sort of paragon ~ and Indian culture generally, is "tackled"?
Surely change for women who are victims of violence comes from their empowerment and safe escape from violent men who abuse ...[text shortened]... olence lives?
Have you spent any time at all thinking about the reality of domestic violence?
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Originally posted by FMFwho is talking about a generation? are you saying that you need to wait a generation or two before you address the symptoms which have led to a marital breakdown, no? then once again you are slobbering. I would also like to add that i find your incessant questions tedious, very very tedious and I will be answering no more.
How long might the change take: a generation? Two generations? Three?
What are the advantages of battered women not getting divorced?
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieIf a chronically abused Indian woman wanted to get a divorce but was needing the support and encouragement of friends (you among them), would you give her the encouragement she needed to take what would probably be for her a brave step?
I would advise anyone to remove themselves from a situation where they are subject to violence or abuse. I would never advise anyone to seek a divorce, its a personal matter for them and them alone. This is the last time I will say this.
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Originally posted by FMFsorry your incessant questioning is tedious, please seek someone else to inflict yourself upon. I mean it, it really is very tedious. I have already answered your tedious question. Please shut up.
If a chronically abused Indian woman wanted to get a divorce but was needing the support and encouragement of friends (you among them), would you give her the encouragement she needed to take what would probably be for her a brave step?