My God, My God why have you forsaken me.

Originally posted by divegeester
I'll avoid the obvious retort.

Always good to avoid the obvious.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
LOL, hes wired man, to da moon! 😀

If you don't want to discuss the topic why don't you start a blog about it instead.

Originally posted by divegeester
If you don't want to discuss the topic why don't you start a blog about it instead.

The thread is actually about the words of Christ, if you have anything to say about them then let it be heard.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
The thread is actually about the words of Christ, if you have anything to say about them then let it be heard.

I think that for Jesus to carry the burden of sin he had to do it completely alone and in his humanity. What are you thoughts on that?

Originally posted by divegeester
I think that for Jesus to carry the burden of sin he had to do it completely alone and in his humanity. What are you thoughts on that?

I am not sure it makes any sense. Are you saying that this was the reason he cried out? What evidence do you have that this was the reason he cried out?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I am not sure it makes any sense. Are you saying that this was the reason he cried out? What evidence do you have that this was the reason he cried out?

Do the words that Jesus' spoke count as evidence?

You asked "Why [do people] think Christ was compelled to cry out?"

Do you sincerely believe that 'because his human side cried out in despair' does "not make any sense" as a reason?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I am not sure it makes any sense. Are you saying that this was the reason he cried out? What evidence do you have that this was the reason he cried out?

What part of Jesus crying out because he was alone in his humanity of the cross, doesn't make sense? What other evidence do I need than "he cried out"?

You asked for thoughts on why he cried out and I've provided you with mine. If you don't want to discuss this topic you should consider posting a blog instead of a thread asking for comments.

😕

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
One of the most poignant clips in art cinema is a scene from 'A Winter light' directed by Ingmar Bergman. A semi crippled believer self identifies with Christ's physical pain but expresses the idea that the emotional pain of being abandoned by his disciples and seemingly abandoned by God was even more acute. It was Gods silence that made the Christ c ...[text shortened]... verse. Perhaps someone would like to comment on why they think Christ was compelled to cry out?

What did you say ?

' (My own denomination Jehovahs Witnesses)

This is unusual for a Watchtower student to speak this way. I don't think that in times past any Watchtower student would say that the JWs were a "denomination."

Originally posted by sonship
What did you say ?

' (My own denomination Jehovahs Witnesses)

This is unusual for a Watchtower student to speak this way. I don't think that in times past any Watchtower student would say that the JWs were a "denomination."

They are my own words. Have you anything to say on the verse in question? if so could you express it succinctly.

Originally posted by divegeester
What part of Jesus crying out because he was alone in his humanity of the cross, doesn't make sense? What other evidence do I need than "he cried out"?

You asked for thoughts on why he cried out and I've provided you with mine. If you don't want to discuss this topic you should consider posting a blog instead of a thread asking for comments.

😕

Strawman and logically fallacious. No one has claimed Jesus words don't make any sense. What has actually been claimed is that your interpretation of those words doesn't make any sense.

Here are Jesus words, 'My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?'.

Here are your words, 'For Jesus to carry the burden of sin he had to do it completely alone and in his humanity'

Can you tell us how you get from, 'My God my God why have you forsaken me', to the reason that Jesus uttered these specific words was because, 'he had to carry the burden of sin and do it completely alone and in his humanity', because as it stands you have proffered not one credible reason. Please note that I am not saying that your testimony is untrue what I am actually saying is that you have failed to substantiate it.

I am prepared to discuss the matter with anyone that does not employ logically fallacious arguments, does not load their questions, does not subject the discussion to false dilemma, does not assume values that others have not explicitly expressed. If you think you can comply with these reasonable standards then fine, if not, then I will discuss it with others who can and do.

How peculiar.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
They are my own words. Have you anything to say on the verse in question? if so could you express it succinctly.

They are my own words. Have you anything to say on the verse in question? if so could you express it succinctly.

It may be your words. But I still point out that for a JW to say that the Jehovah Witness is a "denomination" of Christianity is diametrically opposed to their central doctrine.

IE. They're the real McCoy and all the denominations are not Christ's church.

Do you think I didn't LISTEN when I learned from the JWs what they teach ?

The cry of Jesus that He had been forsaken by God was true.
As God made Him sin on our behalf, in divine judgment the Son was judged.

He was forsaken so that we might not be, forever.

Originally posted by sonship

They are my own words. Have you anything to say on the verse in question? if so could you express it succinctly.

It may be your words. But I still point out that for a JW to say that the Jehovah Witness is a "denomination" of Christianity is diametrically opposed to their central doctrine.

IE. They're the real McCoy and all the de ...[text shortened]... , in divine judgment the Son was judged.

He was forsaken so that we might not be, forever.

This thread is not about me, its not about Jehovah's Witnesses, its not about you. What its actually about is words of Christ. If you have anything to say about the words of Christ then let those words be known, if not, then this is not the thread for you.

So you are saying that Jesus actually was forsaken by God? Yes I have read similar expressions, whether its the case I cannot say at present.

The reason has already been given why it may be the case, that God needed to let Christs integrity be tested to the full extent.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Strawman and logically fallacious. No one has claimed Jesus words don't make any sense. What has actually been claimed is that your interpretation of those words doesn't make any sense.

Here are Jesus words, 'My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?'.

Here are your words, 'For Jesus to carry the burden of sin he had to do it completely alone ...[text shortened]... these reasonable standards then fine, if not, then I will discuss it with others who can and do.

OK if we can't get past this simple point without behaving in this strange way then I guess I'll leave you to it.

Originally posted by divegeester
OK if we can't get past this simple point without behaving in this strange way then I guess I'll leave you to it.

So you cannot tell us how you came to your conclusions. Thankyou.