Originally posted by robbie carrobie
You cannot be sinless and be sin, get a grip!
So when the word of God says
"He made Him to be sin" it means
He [DID NOT] make Him to be sin" ?
I did not translate the text. Here is the reference.
http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/2-corinthians/5/#v47005021 - sin offering is a footnote to the text,
I may read that latter.
Suffice it to notice that you do not believe that the text SAYS
[offering] .
I have no problem with Christ being a sin offering.
But what it
SAYS is that God made Him to be sin.
In
John 3 Christ used the symbol of the bronze serpent lifted up on a pole to signify the meaning of His death. Bronze is a material signifying judgment.
That He was lifted up as the bronze serpent surely means that in Him Satan was judged. Satan is the source of all sin.
"And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, That every one who believes into Him may have eternal life." (John 3:14.15)
Christ died not only as
"the Lamb of God" but also as the bronze serpent made sin for us and judged.
How about we just take God's word for it that He who knew no sin was made sin that we might be come the righteousness of God in Him?
Numbers 21:4-9 was about the murmuring Israelites being bitten by poisonous serpents which were killing them. God told Moses to lift up a bronze serpent on a pole. Whoever looked at that bronze serpent would be healed and would live.
God gave the world a pre-shadow of a great coming truth in the book of
Numbers. The picture was there. And the caption underneath the picture was Christ being made sin for us on His cross and judged by God.
If we believe into Christ we will be healed of the Satanic poisonous nature injected into the sons of Adam. We can be sanctified, saved, and have eternal life.
He had knew no sin became sin for us on His cross that we might be healed and justified and also have the Satanic nature nullified.
the original Greek merely uses a word which is usually translated as sin. However that the specific term sin offering does not actually exist in the Greek text does not mean that the term cannot be translated or understood to mean a sin offering, clearly Jesus was a sin offering or have you never read,
And he is a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins, yet not for ours only but also for the whole world’s - 1 John 2:2
Hebrews 4:15
For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tested in all respects as we have, but without sin.
Hebrews 7:26
For it is fitting for us to have such a high priest who is loyal, innocent, undefiled, separated from the sinners, and exalted above the heavens.
Jesus cannot be sinless and be sin, its a nonsense. Its much more plausible that the text refers to Christ being a sin offering. This at least makes sense.
It makes sense to us who realize that Christ's death is not only the Redeeming power but the Terminating power as well.
" I am crucified with Christ ..." (Gal. 2:20)
" Or are you ignorant that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death." (Rom. 6:3)
"For he who has died is justified from sin." (v.6)
"Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with Him ..." (v.8)
"So also you, reckon yourselves to be dead to sin, but living to God in Christ," (v.11)
This and many other verses furnish the Christian with the truth that we have no only been REDEEMED by the blood of His sacrifice but have had the old nature TERMINATED by His death.
In the Holy Spirit is not only the cleansing and redeeming effect of the blood. There is also the killing off power - the terminating power of His Satan killing death. For He died as the bronze serpent. He died as the one made sin.
His death was also a judgment and condemnation upon sin in the flesh -
"For that which the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God, sending His own Son in the likeness of the flesh of sin and concerning sin, condemned sin in the flesh.
That the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the spirit." (Rom. 8:3,4)
I choose to take Christ's death as not only the redeeming Lamb but the terminating bronze serpent killing off the sin nature. In either regard, all of this benefit is in the Holy Spirit. And we appropriate both His redemption and His terminating power of in the Holy Spirit.
I don't have to completely understand it. I am called to believe it.
So I believe that
" For the love of Christ constrains us because we have judged, that One died for all, therefore all died.
And He died for all that those who live may no longer live to themselves but to Him who died for them and has been raised." ( 2 Cor. 4:14,15)
How dare you teach people that this is about an angel MIchael.
This is about God Himself who became a man.
And He was made sin for us, the very judged serpent, somehow, that we might be crucified with Him and we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.