Originally posted by jaywill
Sonhouse,
I spoke very and unconstomarily harsh words to you which I cannot erase now.
You got on my last nerve.
Though occasionally you do bring out some things which would make discussion more often your tone is really not at all openminded, but thoroughly destructive to the good news.
There is a point where Christ told His disciple ...[text shortened]... know this. The Lord Jesus sent me to tell you of His death and resurrection for your salvation.
I have said some uncommonly harsh things in the past for sure and I apologize for that.
The main thing I rail against is the idea that the leaders of your faith mainly want to increase the size of their congregation and they just coincidentally live the live of luxury. I think you know just the hypocritical set I am talking about, like the old movie Elmer Gantry, remember that?
I have nothing against the common folk of the faith except for my observation they are all deluded.
I also rail against right wing christian nut jobs who try to force evolution, a science, to be taught along side of creationism, a faith. The two do not belong in the same classroom and I will fight the nut job factor to the limit of my ability.
It occurred to me if somehow they won the creationist fight over evolution, they would drop the pretend anti science stance in a heartbeat and let the rest of the world quibble over the meaning of evolution since they would have won.
All of a sudden they would be lovers of science and new science foundation money would flow.
It just seems hypocritical to me to force a faith based subject into a science classroom and I will never stop saying that.
It is clear there is some deeply felt need by some people, the majority, it seems, to have some kind of supernatural being in their lives, which I call delusion on a grand scale, whether it is Dasa and his ridiculous claim that humans have been around for billions or more years to the YEC, who think the Earth and all of us are less than 10,000 years old.
That in spite of continual discoveries like the rock core samples from under the ice at McMurdo Sound, showing clear year by year layers where we can actually see the last 50 years already known and made and accounted for, and then see the core samples in the rock under McMurdo taken at depths of thousands of feet.
Showing for instance, in the case of Antarctica, it was warm till about 14 million years ago, counting back the layers we know go in year by year and seeing certain kinds of diatoms that will live only at certain temperatures, we can chart the temperature year by year for the last 15 million years and see a lot of regular Antarctican cold weather with bouts of warm where actual plant fossils are found showing the place had to be warmer in the past, with implications for global warming in our own time.
The young earthers can't wrap their mind around real data like that because it goes against their own cognitive dissonance, a term which means rejecting common sense data that can prove to open minded people the earth is billions of years old but when they hear scientists disagree over whether the Earth is 4.5 billion years old or 4.4 billion years old, they take that as meaning the entire issue is now dead, look at all those scientists, they can't even make up their minds so clearly I am right and they are wrong. The calculations made in the bible tales are right, the Earth is less than 10,000 years old.
That is the kind of thing a rail at. Stuff like missionaries who go into cultures not their own and totally destroy the indigenous culture so they can feel so great they brought salvation to people who have had their culture for thousands of years brought to an end and now they have to attend some church, get their kids educated in western schools when what they really want is to be left alone to their own destiny. But NO, missionaries think they are WAY superior to ANY indigenous culture and can't wait to destroy it all in the name of their lord.
That makes me sick.
I saw that happen when I worked in Thailand.
It happened my mother is Mormon. When I was assigned a long term contract to work in Thailand, I had a weight allotment of 66 pounds I could carry with. So my mother asks me if I could carry this big box of mormon bibles and pass them out.
I politely declined.
Well it wasn't two weeks later, in the town of Nakom Phenom on the shores of the Mekong river, I saw a mormon missionary family walking through town. They were walking single file, almost tip toeing through like they were stepping around dog doo doo, disdain clearly written on their faces.
Well I duly noted that rude behavior, the Thais are much more gracious in that regard than I. They have been conquered many times in the past, they just absorb them and a few hundred years later you can't tell them from Thai's.
Anyway, the crux of that tale is this:
About 6 months later, that same family went to Bankok on vacation and took pictures of the Emerald Buddha, a highly religious shrine there. So they took their films to the local photo shop (this is way before digital cameras) and had them developed.
So the job of the developer is to examine the photos and decide if there are dudes that need to be eliminated before charging the customer for blank positives.
So what he saw was this:
One of the mormon family members GOT UP ON THE HEAD of the Emerald Buddha. Now in the Buddhist faith, the butt is the low part of the body, spiritually speaking and the head the top of the spiritual body food chain.
So there he is astride the Emerald Buddha and his brother takes a picture, you can imagine, arms akimbo, smiling and such.
Then he gets down and the OTHER idiot brother gets astride the head of the Buddha. Same thing, arms akimbo, shyte eating grin on his face.
So they are so stupid and culturally dead, they take those photos to the local photo shop and guess what. Surprise, the photo dude is a Buddhist monk.
He was, to say the least, incensed. He called the police, showed them the pics.
The brothers got thrown in jail for 6 months ( I thought it was a light sentence at the time) and THEN got deported with instructions never to come to Thailand again.
That I saw with my own eyes. But I also think of the destruction of the Axtecs by Cortez and the forced conversion of aborigines in Australia and Indians in the US.
Those things I will rail against till I am pushing up daisy's and I hope the message goes on with impressions on the daisy petals.
So that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
20 Aug '11 05:59
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