08 Nov 18
@philokalia saidYou introduced the words "lies" into the conversation, not me.
That would be an inappropriate characterization of my goal.
08 Nov 18
@philokalia saidPost whatever you want.
That when something becomes repetitious, we could both say, "Alright, so this is my final word on it," and then the tone of the other's response would be a friendly one also seeking to resolve it, as opposed to one where new questions come up.
What do you think of that idea?
08 Nov 18
@philokalia saidI am referring to the Bhagavad-Gita etc. etc. etc. Of course they are folktales.
I know that they are not all folktales at all.
09 Nov 18
@philokalia saidBe that as it may, but Muslims can go toe to toe with you when it comes to Appeal to Authority.
I would also say that Muslims are terrific allies of Christians but I do believe that their religion is wrong and has many teachings which are explicitly counter to the Gospels.
09 Nov 18
@fmf saidThe Bhagavad-Gita is described as this:
I am referring to the Bhagavad-Gita etc. etc. etc. Of course they are folktales.
The Bhagavad Gita (/ˌbʌɡəvəd ˈɡiːtɑː, -tə/; Sanskrit: भगवद्गीता, IAST: bhagavad-gītā, lit. "The Song of God"[1]), often referred to as the Gita, is a 700 verse Hindu scripture in Sanskrit that is part of the Hindu epic Mahabharata (chapters 23–40 of the 6th book of Mahabharata).
It is referred to neutrally as scripture because scriptures are different from folktales.
How do you think most Hindus would feel if you put their religion in the same category as Paul Bunyan?
09 Nov 18
@philokalia saidThey are usually myths and legends embellished by the oral history and storytelling traditions.
So, are folktales generally considered to be true?
09 Nov 18
@philokalia saidPeople can believe what they want ~ including you ~ but Appeal to Authority doesn't add any credibility.
And are these considered as 'folktales' by those who believe them?
09 Nov 18
@philokalia saidHindus are welcome here on this forum to share their perspectives.
How do you think most Hindus would feel if you put their religion in the same category as Paul Bunyan?
09 Nov 18
Alright, FMF, but why do you think Wikipedia, other encyclopedias, professional publications, etc., would refer to the Bhagavad-Gita as scriptures, and not as folktales?
Why does this category exist?
I think it comes down to the concept of respect, right, and to agree to classify things along a set of terms that appeal to both people who believe the material and the people who respect the people who believe the material.
I respect Hindus, and so I will use respectful terms when I refer to their material.
Why don't you use terms that convey respect about the Bhagavad-Gita or the sayings of Saints? What is your angle on this one>?
09 Nov 18
@philokalia saidI see ancient Hebrew mythology [for example] as a set of ~ in many cases self-aggrandizing ~ folktales, and, when the ancient Hebrews were talking about things before there were humans and involving angels and demons etc., they're something akin - in terms of source and nature - to fairy stories. Is that not politically correct enough for you?
It is referred to neutrally as scripture because scriptures are different from folktales.
09 Nov 18
@fmf saidAnd those things are not true, then, right. They're false. They are a long series of false claims.
They are usually myths and legends embellished by the oral history and storytelling traditions.
Basically, you are trying to refer to these all as unbelievable lies and exaggerations, and trying to write them off every time you use the word.
At least, that is how I perceive it, and that is how mos tnative speakers of English perceive it, and that is why they use respectful language when referring to the beliefs of others, right?
09 Nov 18
@philokalia saidI don't care. I am not "Wikipedia".
Alright, FMF, but why do you think Wikipedia, other encyclopedias, professional publications, etc., would refer to the Bhagavad-Gita as scriptures, and not as folktales?
09 Nov 18
@philokalia saidI think I am being respectful enough. I think I am being respectful to you.
I think it comes down to the concept of respect, right, and to agree to classify things along a set of terms that appeal to both people who believe the material and the people who respect the people who believe the material.
09 Nov 18
@fmf saidBut why don't you refer to it as their scriptures or as their religious views?
I see ancient Hebrew mythology [for example] as a set of ~ in many cases self-aggrandizing ~ folktales, and, when the ancient Hebrews were talking about things before there were humans and involving angels and demons etc., they're something akin - in terms of source and nature - to fairy stories. Is that not politically correct enough for you?
You are using terms that others find to be disrespectful. You are totally free to believe that, but when you employ certain terms, you are using language that they find to be disrespectful to their beliefs.
You fully well lknow that as a native speaker of English.
So, why do you want to bother and disrespect people? That's really the question.
As you have said to me before... I suggest that you answer this directly.