Originally posted by PinkFloydYes, go there do nothing, typical christian attitude.
Oh yes---we puny humans produce a whopping 2% of all that nasty greenhouse gas out there, and we're sure to doom the planet. It may take several billion years...but hey, forewarned is forearmed, right? 😉
Pray and everything will be alright, meet your creator early.
Originally posted by josephwThe quote that you posted from my ET101 thread should not be taken strictly literally-(in case you were wondering)
Thread: E.T. 101 posted by karoly aczel
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The end of history should not be percieved as a frightening event. History has been the frightening event. Its end is the liberation that will exalt humanity, not strip it of its power. As the planetary ego aligns with Spirit, it will have no furthur need to defend itself against ...[text shortened]... dless brainwashed homophobic, bigoted racist fools who believe in Jesus get out of the way.
We are all living out our stories...our movies. The plot is the same for everyone at its core: It is a story about moving away from the 'no' and slowly coming to fully embrace the 'YES."
Originally posted by karoly aczelThen say yes to Jesus. He's your only hope.
The quote that you posted from my ET101 thread should not be taken strictly literally-(in case you were wondering)
We are all living out our stories...our movies. The plot is the same for everyone at its core: It is a story about moving away from the 'no' and slowly coming to fully embrace the 'YES."
Originally posted by FabianFnasYou are correct that I am a Christian.
Yes, go there do nothing, typical christian attitude.
Pray and everything will be alright, meet your creator early.
However, I don't espouse "doing nothing" in the face of an imminent disaster. The difference of opinion is whether or not there IS an imminent disaster. FF, I've read enough of your posts to know you are intelligent enough to know this. People can disagree on such matters without being insulting and judgemental ("typical christian (sic) attitude" indeed).
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Originally posted by karoly aczelIts like a bumper sticker I saw the other day which said, "Reality is a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there". 😛
Remember the warnings of the 'wolf'? (fairy tale)He does come at the End.
Sorry Fabian,I'm not a christian,but I do think the end of the 3-d world is coming to an end. I hope I'm wrong. (Then again ...I don't honestly know what to hope for...I just want to be in th NOW)
I would agree that the world is on the cusp of oblivion. I don't revel in it nor am I sitting around doing "nothing".
Originally posted by whodey"Reality is a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there"- enjoy visiting the hellish planetes. .Its good for your soul.
Its like a bumper sticker I saw the other day which said, "Reality is a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there". 😛
I would agree that the world is on the cusp of oblivion. I don't revel in it nor am I sitting around doing "nothing".
Originally posted by PinkFloydTry #1: But still I hear christians saying the same thing over and over again with the meaning: "I don't have to do anything, what 's god's will I cannot change. I can pray and that's pretty much I really can do about it. The revelations says that the time's end is near, so if the prophecy is true, we are doomed anyway." I don't se any atheist say the same thing. So I'm actually right when I say 'typical christians'.
You are correct that I am a Christian.
However, I don't espouse "doing nothing" in the face of an imminent disaster. The difference of opinion is whether or not there IS an imminent disaster. FF, I've read enough of your posts to know you are intelligent enough to know this. People can disagree on such matters without being insulting and judgemental ("typical christian (sic) attitude" indeed).
This argument fails because I've heard many christians saying quite the opposite. "God helps them who help themselves." And this is more relevant in my view. So this is not typical christians at all. By some groups, yes, generally, no.
Try #2: But this argument is of the same quality that other christians give me "Because you are an (bloody) atheist, you are ignorant and refuse to see the Truth. Read the bible and you'll se the light in the words of god! Or else you chose the infernal and inlimited agony of hell. It's all your choise." And I say: "If you don't take care of our planet, then you put all humanity, christians and others (who are in majority) into death, prophecy or not."
This argument fails too, because most christians respect people of other beliefs. Their feeling of knowing the truth is more or less the same feeling I have when I know my truth. The christians that don't respect other people, doesn't deserve any respect themselves. Only if we respect eachothers, and help eqachother with the global problems at hand, we can acclompish something.
So when I said "typical christians" I said it with frustration of some christian fundamentalists who rely of a book written thousands of years ago, in another time, in another culture, and they believ they can solve our problems of today? I don't think this is a good approach. We have an evironmental issue today. It doesn't need any prayers from a handful (figuratively) fundamental christians. What it does need is a plan for the future to save our world.
Thank you for finding me intelligent 😞 True or not, my advice to people, to everyone - christians, buddhists, agnostics, etc - is to continue to search for the solutions, rather than to believe in some sort of destinative apocalypse waiting around the corner and just saying the mantra "It's god will!" or "Well, whatever".
If we don't do anything, the human race and it's glory civilization is eventually gone. Sooner or later. Let's hope it will be later. But if we don't do anything about it it will rather be soon.
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The time has been near for 2000 years. The world's not going to end tomorrow. There is no afterlife, the very idea is simply a big security blanket and method of controlling us poor little eternally scared humans. There's no eternal paradise waiting for you. We all die, often in miserable and painful ways. Darkness welcomes us.
You know, and fear, in your heart of hearts that I'm right in this. Don't close your mind to the terrible reality of your own mortality. Get used to it and live this gift of life in the best possible way you can. Have fun. Live. Love. Be happy. Pet a puppy. Smell a rose. Eat well and often. Drink fine wines even if its out of a box. Be a creative lover.
Don't waste your time, it's short.
Originally posted by Hand of HecateDont waste your time not trying to get enlightened! (Perhaps in some of the ways HoH suggested). 'Afterlife' is not such a good term. Because of the 'after' bit. Yes it is an illusion. Should be 'Nowlife', or something...
The time has been near for 2000 years. The world's not going to end tomorrow. There is no afterlife, the very idea is simply a big security blanket and method of controlling us poor little eternally scared humans. There's no eternal paradise waiting for you. We all die, often in miserable and painful ways. Darkness welcomes us.
You know, and f ...[text shortened]... wines even if its out of a box. Be a creative lover.
Don't waste your time, it's short.
Originally posted by FabianFnasI find neither of those arguments common--but then, I don't claim to know the same people you do. The Christians I know do NOT believe in "checking their brains at the sanctuary door." The idea that "it's all in God's hands and we needn't do anything" is unheard of (for me), until you mentioned it here. I don't doubt that people like that exist--I'm just saying I don't know any of 'em!
Try #1: But still I hear christians saying the same thing over and over again with the meaning: "I don't have to do anything, what 's god's will I cannot change. I can pray and that's pretty much I really can do about it. The revelations says that the time's end is near, so if the prophecy is true, we are doomed anyway." I don't se any atheist say the sam ...[text shortened]... But if we don't do anything about it it will rather be soon.
As for the dismissing people because they are Atheists, that's another novel approach I haven't seen before. Not being a prosyletizer, I wouldn't any more try to convert an Atheist to my way of thinking than I would a Buddhist, Hindu, JW, UU, etc. I AM familiar with Christians who believe the Great Commission commands us to knock on doors, hand out tracts, etc. in order to save the lost---but to me, that's just one of many interpretations of a Biblical verse; and I happen not to ascribe to that definition. If I were to get hot and bothered over every difference of scriptural interpretation that doesn't jive with mine, I'd never get any sleep.
In short, I don't think we are that much different.
Originally posted by PinkFloydFabians comments were extreme but not unjustifiable. I think he's pointing at the 'fundemental' side of things...wouldn't you say.
I find neither of those arguments common--but then, I don't claim to know the same people you do. The Christians I know do NOT believe in "checking their brains at the sanctuary door." The idea that "it's all in God's hands and we needn't do anything" is unheard of (for me), until you mentioned it here. I don't doubt that people like that exist--I'm jus ...[text shortened]... d never get any sleep.
In short, I don't think we are that much different.
Thanks Fabian-it had to be said(IMHO)