1. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    30 Apr '12 03:381 edit
    So I started a thread on "Site Ideas" , to separate christians from non-christians, without much approval (thumbs down )

    The basic idea is to separate christians from non-christians/philosphers. (non-dualists)

    Seems like a basic idea on the surface, in the context of this forum since I have been here .

    The way I see it is that the 'Spirituality forum' broke off from the 'debates forum' some 6 or so years ago.

    Since then the amount of "christian influence" on this forum has warranted a forum of it's own.

    What do you think?



    edit: Basically I check this forum out everyday and i see NUMERICALLY that another forum is warranted.
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    30 Apr '12 03:471 edit
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    So I started a thread on "Site Ideas" , to separate christians from non-christians, without much approval (thumbs down )

    The basic idea is to separate christians from non-christians/philosphers. (non-dualists)

    Seems like a basic idea on the surface, in the context of this forum since I have been here .

    The way I see it is that the 'Spirituali I check this forum out everyday and i see NUMERICALLY that another forum is warranted.
    Personally, I think all the forums should be combined under a new forum entitled, "Christianity". 😛😀

    Edit: Perhaps another could be added entitled, "Dasa".
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    30 Apr '12 04:07
    Originally posted by whodey
    Personally, I think all the forums should be combined under a new forum entitled, "Christianity". 😛😀

    Edit: Perhaps another could be added entitled, "Dasa".
    Thanks for the input: "Haha"


    Not much substance,but hey- what can you expect?

    hardihardiha.......
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    30 Apr '12 07:09
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    So I started a thread on "Site Ideas" , to separate christians from non-christians, without much approval (thumbs down )

    The basic idea is to separate christians from non-christians/philosphers. (non-dualists)

    Seems like a basic idea on the surface, in the context of this forum since I have been here .

    The way I see it is that the 'Spirituali ...[text shortened]... I check this forum out everyday and i see NUMERICALLY that another forum is warranted.
    A philosophy forum would be appropriate. Or add some sub forums - Philosophy - Christianity - Other religions...??. Surely not too hard for the site management? Although judged by the level of moderation I am not hopeful.

    Thanks for the thought, Charlie. I support it.
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    30 Apr '12 09:241 edit
    Originally posted by Taoman
    A philosophy forum would be appropriate. Or add some sub forums - Philosophy - Christianity - Other religions...??. Surely not too hard for the site management? Although judged by the level of moderation I am not hopeful.

    Thanks for the thought, Charlie. I support it.
    This forum was doomed by its title and its stated purpose: Debate and general discussion of the supernatural, religion, and the life after.

    I can understand why it is dominated by (a certain type of) Christians but I do wonder why the site admin tolerates such a persistent stream if Islamaphobia with offensive thread titles and repeated incitement to hatred. RJHinds creates thread after thread on these lines and I really would suggest that he is doing harm to the site as a whole by his nasty practice. The Christians are creating their own unpleasant little ghetto and police its narrow minded boundaries like hoodlums.

    It is curious how people argue about science (especially evoution) on this forum without taking the risk of an answer on the Science forum. Maybe the plan was to just get them to go away by giving them their own weird forum.
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    30 Apr '12 09:371 edit
    I think it is worth an experiment in dividing the current forum into 2 but what would the categories be?

    As for the Islamophobia you mention, I've seen one thread which should have been moderated, other than that, the criticisms of the religion are generally no different to those on Christianity.

    I'm not including dasa's disgraceful outburst several months ago which was moderated btw.
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    30 Apr '12 09:39
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    So I started a thread on "Site Ideas" , to separate christians from non-christians, without much approval (thumbs down )

    The basic idea is to separate christians from non-christians/philosphers. (non-dualists)

    Seems like a basic idea on the surface, in the context of this forum since I have been here .

    The way I see it is that the 'Spirituali ...[text shortened]... I check this forum out everyday and i see NUMERICALLY that another forum is warranted.
    Indeed time and again we are confronted with base materialism deviod of even a
    semblance of spirituality in some guise or another. Nor is it only Christians who are
    subject to it, my friend from India, rvsakhadeo, a Hindu by faith has introduced many
    fine spiritual concepts only to be subject to the same materialistic arguments deviod of
    spirituality in an attempt to invalidate his position. Give the materialists their own
    forum and let those that are interested in spirituality discuss it.
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    30 Apr '12 10:47
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    So I started a thread on "Site Ideas" , to separate christians from non-christians, without much approval (thumbs down )

    The basic idea is to separate christians from non-christians/philosphers. (non-dualists)

    Seems like a basic idea on the surface, in the context of this forum since I have been here .

    The way I see it is that the 'Spirituali ...[text shortened]... I check this forum out everyday and i see NUMERICALLY that another forum is warranted.
    On a personal level, I would find this less attractive. I am interested in people's beliefs whether Christian or non-Christian, and searching different forums for different perpectives would make me less inclined to use them.

    I am more interested in the quality of the debate. This is generally quite low, with some notable exceptions, but I don't think that splitting forums will help this that much.

    If people were more careful with their titles, and their opening posts, and in return people obeyed a few simple groundrules, then I do not think there would be any necessity to split up the forums in this way.

    I wonder whether there would be more benefit in trying to establish what these ground rules should be, and then encouraging people to follow them. But others may think this is too nanny state.
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    30 Apr '12 12:37
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    So I started a thread on "Site Ideas" , to separate christians from non-christians, without much approval (thumbs down )

    The basic idea is to separate christians from non-christians/philosphers. (non-dualists)

    Seems like a basic idea on the surface, in the context of this forum since I have been here .

    The way I see it is that the 'Spirituali ...[text shortened]... I check this forum out everyday and i see NUMERICALLY that another forum is warranted.
    Number of OP's that are pro-Christian from the start: N

    Number of OP's that are anti-Christian from the start: M

    TBD: The typical values of N and M.

    If M is appreciable compared to N, then the issue is not separating Christians from non-Christians; it is separating those who want to engage in pro and anti Christian threads, from those who want to engage in other things.

    One could say if the Christians didn't "bite" the antiC thread count would dwindle. But (a) that needs proof and (b) we will always have somebody knocking at the door uninvited with their message of salvation and (c) there are plenty of antiC threads that are started that are antiC from the start. IOW, they are uninvited too.
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    30 Apr '12 12:49
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    So I started a thread on "Site Ideas" , to separate christians from non-christians, without much approval (thumbs down )
    Since most of the threads that I think are purely 'Christian' discussions are one group of Christians telling another group of Christians that they are not 'true Christians', I think you will have some problems.
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    30 Apr '12 13:52
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    So I started a thread on "Site Ideas" , to separate christians from non-christians, without much approval (thumbs down )

    The basic idea is to separate christians from non-christians/philosphers. (non-dualists)

    Seems like a basic idea on the surface, in the context of this forum since I have been here .

    The way I see it is that the 'Spirituali ...[text shortened]... I check this forum out everyday and i see NUMERICALLY that another forum is warranted.
    There are threads currently on page 1 that have gone 3 days without any new posts. The forum is not overcrowded.

    There have been threads from non-dualists, non-christians and non-philosophers. There can still be such threads.

    The real problem is that you could not legitimately keep Christians out of the 'other' forum. They should be able to go argue that philosophers and non-dualists and non-christians are wrong if they wish, just like they can currently go to the science forum and argue against science [if they dare].
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    30 Apr '12 23:07
    Originally posted by finnegan
    This forum was doomed by its title and its stated purpose: Debate and general discussion of the supernatural, religion, and the life after.

    I can understand why it is dominated by (a certain type of) Christians but I do wonder why the site admin tolerates such a persistent stream if Islamaphobia with offensive thread titles and repeated incitement to ha ...[text shortened]... ence forum. Maybe the plan was to just get them to go away by giving them their own weird forum.
    Maybe the mods should give me my own little forum called "the Bob Marley" forum, and send me off there ...
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    01 May '12 07:37
    Originally posted by SwissGambit
    There are threads currently on page 1 that have gone 3 days without any new posts. The forum is not overcrowded.

    There have been threads from non-dualists, non-christians and non-philosophers. There can still be such threads.

    The real problem is that you could not legitimately keep Christians out of the 'other' forum. They should be able to go argu ...[text shortened]... just like they can currently go to the science forum and argue against science [if they dare].
    If they dare? one has no need to go to the science forum, spirituality is infested with scientific threads

    1.what is the theory of evolution

    3.primates with moral sense

    5. the age of the universe

    7.the age of the universe

    8. famous scientists who believed in God

    12.bacteria
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    01 May '12 09:06
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    Maybe the mods should give me my own little forum called "the Bob Marley" forum, and send me off there ...
    🙂
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    01 May '12 09:212 edits
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    If they dare? one has no need to go to the science forum, spirituality is infested with scientific threads

    1.what is the theory of evolution

    3.primates with moral sense

    5. the age of the universe

    7.the age of the universe

    8. famous scientists who believed in God

    12.bacteria
    Well said Robbie. "Infested" indeed. lol. Greetings. I think the basic rules of forum use would sufficiently address the problems if followed, with more frequent reminders and guidance from moderators.
    One doesn't want to stifle the free interchange of ideas or comments between followers of different paths or philosophies.
    But unfortunately the rules are broken often and even abuse of persons and beliefs. And without any moderation by moderators - this is what is significantly lacking. There is some but not enough. It doesn't have to be all the time either.

    I am shocked by some of the defaming and abuse, which is totally inappropriate on a forum about spirituality. It degrades the level of spirituality of the posters and brings disrepute to the path/philosophy they adhere too.

    Perhaps a reminder of Forum posting guidelines is in order.

    The Guidelines:

    The following twelve points are the guidelines that should be followed when posting to the forums.
    *Discussions in forums can often get heated, but while you may take issue with another poster's viewpoint, you must not resort to personal attacks or abuse. Do not post offensive or inflammatory remarks that stray beyond the bounds of reasoned debate. Calling another poster an "idiot" will leave a post subject to immediate removal.
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