Originally posted by robbie carrobieSo Paul's content of the Bible is -
(2 Timothy 3:16-17) . . .All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for
reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, that the man of
God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.
........inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness,.......
because Paul said so.
Genius.
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Originally posted by Proper Knobnot only Pauls content, but the entire Hebrew portion. The question was asked of
So Paul's content of the Bible is -
........inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness,.......
because Paul said so.
Genius.
thinkofone, who in his obfuscation could not answer it, therefore i shall enquire of you.
Why should a Christian make a moral judgement with respect to what Christ did not
say? for this is what the argument amounts to.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieMatthew 7:15 - Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
not only Pauls content, but the entire Hebrew portion. The question was asked of
thinkofone, who in his obfuscation could not answer it, therefore i shall enquire of you.
Why should a Christian make a moral judgement with respect to what Christ did not
say? for this is what the argument amounts to.
While Jesus spoke of the unity of believers He also knew there would be false prophets. Even though there are false prophets Christians are united in faith in Christ. Even though Christians are divided on some (many) points of doctrine we are united in the fundamentals of the faith.
Luke 10:3 - Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves.
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Originally posted by josephwumm maybe thinkofone does have a point (but i doubt it), my skills of comprehension
Matthew 7:15 - Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
While Jesus spoke of the unity of believers He also knew there would be false prophets. Even though there are false prophets Christians are united in faith in Christ. Even though Christians are divided on some (many) points of doctrine ...[text shortened]... tals of the faith.
Luke 10:3 - Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves.
seem to be waning, but what has this got to do with a Christian making moral
judgements based upon what is not explicitly written in the Bible? Indeed, for the
issue that was initially raised was the acceptance of homosexuality, are you saying that
this is the result of false prophets?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThis means diddly squat to me. I asked if there was any scripture in which Jesus explicitly mentioned homosexuality, all i got was a resounding silence.
not only Pauls content, but the entire Hebrew portion. The question was asked of
thinkofone, who in his obfuscation could not answer it, therefore i shall enquire of you.
Why should a Christian make a moral judgement with respect to what Christ did not
say? for this is what the argument amounts to.
I find it curious that you keep claiming that a Christian is someone who follows the teachings of Christ, yet more often that not Paul's writings are wheeled out as evidence. It seems to me that what you actually mean is that a Christian is someone who follows the teachings of Christ and Paul.
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Originally posted by Proper Knobdear Noobster it is agreed is it not that Christ was a Hebrew, that he upheld the
This means diddly squat to me. I asked if there was any scripture in which Jesus explicitly mentioned homosexuality, all i got was a resounding silence.
I find it curious that you keep claiming that a Christian is someone who follows the teachings of Christ, yet more often that not Paul's writings are wheeled out as evidence. It seems to me that what you actually mean is that a Christian is someone who follows the teachings of Christ and Paul.
Mosaic law, in both word and deed, is it not the case? now i am sure we do not
need to detail the penalties for homosexuality (which Christ upheld) as explicitly
documented in the ordinances of the Mosaic law. This is our first point of
reference. Secondly Christ made reference to the creation, specifically of Adam
and Eve, in which he demonstrated that it was Gods purpose for a man and a
women to be as one, again upholding the natural state of affairs ( i was going to
say traditional, but natural is better). He also made reference to celibacy. He did
not make any allowance for homosexuality and indeed as a Rabbi, that is a teacher
of the Mosiac law, he would naturally have upheld its tenets. What the argument of
those who are trying to establish that it should be acceptable to Christians is based
not upon what is written, but upon what is not explicitly mentioned. They have no
references, no example and no grounds for accepting a practice that is thoroughly
condemned throughout the Bible. Now the question i have asked for a third time,
without adequate reply is, on what basis should a Christian be willing to accept a
practice that is condemned throughout Gods word? On the basis that Christ never
explicitly mentioned it is not good enough, in fact, its simply an excuse.
Originally posted by Proper KnobThe answer to that question is way beyond you level of comprehension. hehehe
Matthew 7:15 - Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Why couldn't this apply to Paul?
Paul's Apostleship is beyond dispute. If you deny that, then you are woefully ignorant. Period.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieAll questions of morality are expressly addressed by scripture.
umm maybe thinkofone does have a point (but i doubt it), my skills of comprehension
seem to be waning, but what has this got to do with a Christian making moral
judgements based upon what is not explicitly written in the Bible? Indeed, for the
issue that was initially raised was the acceptance of homosexuality, are you saying that
this is the result of false prophets?
2 Peter 1:3 - According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: (italics mine)
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieSo there is no explicit mentioning of homosexuality by Jesus. The rest is just conjecture, postulation and whatever you usually term it.
dear Noobster it is agreed is it not that Christ was a Hebrew, that he upheld the
Mosaic law, in both word and deed, is it not the case? now i am sure we do not
need to detail the penalties for homosexuality (which Christ upheld) as explicitly
documented in the ordinances of the Mosaic law. This is our first point of
reference. Secondly Ch ...[text shortened]... s that Christ never
explicitly mentioned it is not good enough, in fact, its simply an excuse.
As for your question, i'm not a Christian remember.
Originally posted by josephwWhy is Paul's 'Apostleship beyond dispute'?!
The answer to that question is way beyond you level of comprehension. hehehe
Paul's Apostleship is beyond dispute. If you deny that, then you are woefully ignorant. Period.
He just seems like some 'Johnny come lately' who wrote a load of bumpf and then declared it was all inspired.
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Originally posted by Proper KnobWell it seems you just have a personal problem of connecting the dots with comprehension and the continuing theme in the Bible on morals. If one wants to discredit the Bible as a whole or in whatever parts one wants, that's their decision. But that personal descision of yours does not make this clear moral fact that's in the Bible and that Jesus as well as all the apostles clearly condemened this gross act of homosexuality. It's a disguting thing in God's eyes and his son would have had the same viewpoint, period!!!!!!!!
So there is no explicit mentioning of homosexuality by Jesus. The rest is just conjecture, postulation and whatever you usually term it.
As for your question, i'm not a Christian remember.
Originally posted by galveston75Utter postulation and conjecture with your normal condescending attitude thrown at me with your normal shocking use of the English language.
Well it seems you just have a personal problem of connecting the dots with comprehension and the continuing theme in the Bible on morals. If one wants to discredit the Bible as a whole or in whatever parts one wants, that's their decision. But that personal descision of yours does not make this clear moral fact that's in the Bible and that Jesus as well ...[text shortened]... disguting thing in God's eyes and his son would have had the same viewpoint, period!!!!!!!!
I know what the Bible says, i was asking what Jesus said. You seem to be confusing the two.
Did Jesus have anything explicit to say on homosexuality? A simple yes or no will suffice. I'm not interested in what the OT says, or what Paul or anyone else says.
Originally posted by Proper KnobI answered your question in my last post....Either you understand it or you don't.
Utter postulation and conjecture with your normal condescending attitude thrown at me with your normal shocking use of the English language.
I know what the Bible says, i was asking what Jesus said. You seem to be confusing the two.
Did Jesus have anything explicit to say on homosexuality? A simple yes or no will suffice. I'm not interested in what the OT says, or what Paul or anyone else says.