Originally posted by robbie carrobieI'm sorry I offended you that was not my intent. You could replace homosexuality with any sin you want, it just happened to be the topic of the thread its not the point I was trying to make. The bible is filled with all types of Christians some were very big sinners some were not, but all Christians from Gods grace. It seems to me that you are trying to say the only Christians are the type you described, and the only ones going to heaven and thats just not the case. I was trying to open your eyes to Gods heart and not his sword. I dont know much about JWs on your belief system so again im sorry.
You know i really resent these types of arguments, you are making it personal to me when it has absolutely nothing to do with me. I did not write the scriptures, i judge no one, the scriptures make it very plain and clear that the practice is unacceptable. why are you transgressing what has been written and trying to establish your own criteria on ...[text shortened]... d of God, so that its nothing but a moral morass where everything is relative to the individual.
Originally posted by mikemt89please, there is no need to apologise to me, i am resentful not of you but of being held personally responsible with something which has little to do with me personally, but not offended, in fact, it would take an elephant gun to penetrate this skin. You will need to explain the concept of grace to me, as others have tried and yet it remains evasive. I have some idea because i once studied with a young lady who was from the Free church of Scotland, a Calvinist i believe , and she spoke of predestination and grace, in that Gods grace somehow predestined others to be recipients of his mercy while others were not. This idea i rejected on the basis that each are endowed with free will. If you could support your idea with Biblical texts this would also be helpful in being able to fully grasp your position - kind regards in advance - robbie.
I'm sorry I offended you that was not my intent. You could replace homosexuality with any sin you want, it just happened to be the topic of the thread its not the point I was trying to make. The bible is filled with all types of Christians some were very big sinners some were not, but all Christians from Gods grace. It seems to me that you are trying to ...[text shortened]... s heart and not his sword. I dont know much about JWs on your belief system so again im sorry.
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Originally posted by galveston75no bull
Show me BY SCRIPTURE then that he approves homosexuality? No comments, no bull...just one scripture where Jesus says: I approve of homosexuality!!!!
That's really rich coming from you. Look how you repeatedly danced around PK's question as to whether or not Jesus explicitly addressed homosexuality. You never did answer him directly. You did similarly with me as you repeatedly danced round citing passages from the Bible where Jesus "clearly condemned...homosexuality" as you claimed and by dancing around acknowledging that you made a false claim. So the "bull" has all been coming from you.
Even so, I'm willing to address your request provided that you finally address the above.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieAre you incapable of making an honest post?
you may at any time make reference to the actual content of the post.
to summarise,
Christ was a Hebrew, not only did he uphold he Law of Moses, he taught and
directed others to do the same. He had much reverence for it, stating, 'Your word',
the Word of God at that time, 'was truth'.
The act of homosexuality is condemned elsewhere in y have no scriptural basis for accepting the practice,
their house is abandoned to them.
You know full well that my latest post to you was addressing the first part of your post which was the response of "So what?" to my previous post. You also know full well that to avoid addressing the content of my latest post to you, you've chosen to deceitfully pretend that I hadn't addressed it at all with the additional deceitful implication that you've addressed mine.
So first things first. You address my post and then I'll address the second part of yours.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobiei contend that unless they have freed themselves of the practice
(Ephesians 5:10-12) . . .[b]Keep on making sure of what is acceptable to the Lord;
and quit sharing with them in the unfruitful works that belong to the darkness,
but, rather, even be reproving them, for the things that take place in secret by them
it is shameful even to relate. . .
It seems to me my friend that while your motives are ...[text shortened]... others should be helped to meet those high standards without us
lowering the bar, so to speak.[/b]
of sin (not involuntarily sinning but wilful practice), then they cannot be fully termed a Christian
What about your long history of lying and using other forms of deceit? Does that mean that YOU "cannot be fully termed a Christian"? Or do you delude yourself into believing that somehow it isn't "willful"? If it's the latter, then you're only kidding yourself, because everyone else knows better.
Your ongoing hypocrisy is appalling.
If you ever wonder why so many people have such a low opinion of Christians and by extension Christianity, it's in no small part because of the type of hypocrisy that you routinely exhibit.
Is your hypocrisy also not "willful"?
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneWhat's a non-spiritual matter?
Being truthful in non-spiritual matters is also of utmost importance.
What's really disconcerting is how often people who see themselves as religious/spiritual have a strong aversion to the truth. Many proclaim "God is truth", yet don't have an abiding love for truth. Somehow it never dawns on them that if they don't love truth, they don't love God an ...[text shortened]... rly condemned homosexuality" even though all they have is their own conjecture.
Originally posted by karoly aczelWhatever you believe it to be, I guess.
What's a non-spiritual matter?
You said, "when it comes to spiritual matters I agree that to be as truthful as possible is of utmost importance."
My response was a way of saying that "to be as truthful as possible is of utmost importance" in ALL matters.
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneI agree with you here.
Whatever you believe it to be, I guess.
You said, "when it comes to spiritual matters I agree that to be as truthful as possible is of utmost importance."
My response was a way of saying that "to be as truthful as possible is of utmost importance" in ALL matters.
Kelly
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Originally posted by ThinkOfOnePerhaps you missed this on May 12th at 18:00 hours. I posted this with my explination that you probably didn't read at all.
[b]no bull
That's really rich coming from you. Look how you repeatedly danced around PK's question as to whether or not Jesus explicitly addressed homosexuality. You never did answer him directly. You did similarly with me as you repeatedly danced round citing passages from the Bible where Jesus "clearly condemned...homosexuality" as you claimed an Even so, I'm willing to address your request provided that you finally address the above.[/b]
"No Jesus specifically never said the word homosexual that I'm aware of."
So now go back to that date and read that post for the full explination of my comment.
This is it.
Now your turn to answer my question?????????
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Originally posted by galveston75I read it. I even alluded to it when I said, "Look how you repeatedly danced around PK's question as to whether or not Jesus explicitly addressed homosexuality. You never did answer him directly." You said that to me and never did answer PK's question directly.
Perhaps you missed this on May 12th at 18:00 hours. I posted this with my explination that you probably didn't read at all.
"No Jesus specifically never said the word homosexual that I'm aware of."
So now go back to that date and read that post for the full explination of my comment.
This is it.
Now your turn to answer my question?????????
I responded to it on 13 May '11 17:28 GMT
As I said, just as you kept dancing around PK's question, you've been dancing around citing passages from the Bible where Jesus "clearly condemned...homosexuality" as you claimed and also dancing around acknowledging that you made a false claim.
Would it really kill you to directly state that you know of no such passages and made a false claim? Would it have killed you to have directly answered PK's question? What's been the point of jerking PK and me around?
When you do directly state it, I'll answer your question as I said I would.
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneJesus quoted from Genesis giving full credence to its content. Read Genesis.
I read it. I even alluded to it when I said, "Look how you repeatedly danced around PK's question as to whether or not Jesus explicitly addressed homosexuality. You never did answer him directly." You said that to me and never did answer PK's question directly.
I responded to it on 13 May '11 17:28 GMT
As I said, just as you kept dancing around PK's ...[text shortened]... around?
When you do plainly state it, I'll answer your question as I said I would.
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneYour hopeless.... Now I'm being the fool waisting my time on you.
I read it. I even alluded to it when I said, "Look how you repeatedly danced around PK's question as to whether or not Jesus explicitly addressed homosexuality. You never did answer him directly." You said that to me and never did answer PK's question directly.
I responded to it on 13 May '11 17:28 GMT
As I said, just as you kept dancing around PK's ...[text shortened]... ound?
When you do directly state it, I'll answer your question as I said I would.
Originally posted by galveston75Well, you never could bring yourself to answer PK directly, so it comes as no surprise that you also cannot bring yourself to directly state that you know of no such passages and made a false claim - especially in light of the lengths you've gone to to keep from doing either.
Your hopeless.... Now I'm being the fool waisting my time on you.
I guess the following still applies:
"Evidently G75 has too much pride to acknowledge that he made a false claim and has irrationally lashed out in order to keep his pride intact."
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneLol..Whatever dude!!! If nothing else your entertaining.
Well, you never could bring yourself to answer PK directly, so it comes as no surprise that you also cannot bring yourself to directly state that you know of no such passages and made a false claim - especially in light of the lengths you've gone to to keep from doing either.
I guess the following still applies:
"Evidently G75 has too much pride to a ...[text shortened]... hat he made a false claim and has irrationally lashed out in order to keep his pride intact."