noah's ark

karoly aczel : But you ignore the science

Originally posted by @kellyjay
Not at all, I just don't accept everything people tell is truth and real when they do not know.

Should people accept everything you tell them is truth and real when you do not know?

Originally posted by @kellyjay
Not at all, I just don't accept everything people tell is truth and real when they do not know.

Yeah well the genie is out of the bottle for you. You know other information exists. Researched scientific enquiry. And yet you choose not to conform your worldviews to them.
Christianity looks a whole lot better when guided by actual scientific facts.
The points that Nye and moonbus have made against the feasibility of a real Noahs Ark have made me think you will need extra-ordinary evidence to prove this one.

Originally posted by @karoly-aczel
Yeah well the genie is out of the bottle for you. You know other information exists. Researched scientific enquiry. And yet you choose not to conform your worldviews to them.
Christianity looks a whole lot better when guided by actual scientific facts.
The points that Nye and moonbus have made against the feasibility of a real Noahs Ark have made me think you will need extra-ordinary evidence to prove this one.

Tell me where did everything come from? If the most acceptable and so called accurate explanations about the distant past were wrong how would we know? I rely on science but that doesn't mean everything people believe is true. When beliefs are spouted as facts, I have an issue. I have no issues stating I have faith an beliefs, what cannot be proven I try not to insult others claiming that they are facts. Stating something is thought true because it's science doesn't mean it is!

Originally posted by @kellyjay
Tell me where did everything come from?

Shiva is the Supreme being who creates, protects and transforms the universe.[5][6][7]

Originally posted by @kellyjay
... Stating something is thought true because it's science doesn't mean it is!

Science does not claim truth. It claims knowledge based on evidence and reason, and is always ready willing and able to adjust knowledge given new evidence and better reasons. You should learn about this system of inquiry, because it works.

Originally posted by @rbhill
Water also shot up from the ground

And then it receded. Receding water would have carried anything not nailed down back downhill.

Now tell us where all that water, which allegedly covered the highest mountain tops, receded TO? There is no plug hole at the bottom of the ocean.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
God does something supernatural the details I have no doubt He took care of. The aftermath is where you would see it.

Really, is that the best you can come up with now? 'God must have sorted out all the details.' Come off it. Why didn't God simply make all the evil people disappear by thinking them out of existence? One simple miracle. It makes no sense for an almighty Being to go through the ludicrous rigmarole of orchestrating a flood and then 'fixing' dozens of impossibilities wth separate little miracles, each more improbable than the last.

Originally posted by @apathist
Shiva is the Supreme being who creates, protects and transforms the universe.[5][6][7]

What makes you say that?

Originally posted by @apathist
Science does not claim truth. It claims knowledge based on evidence and reason, and is always ready willing and able to adjust knowledge given new evidence and better reasons. You should learn about this system of inquiry, because it works.

Science doesn't claim truth, people do. The thing about evidence and reason, they are
always changing and adjusting, always. The thing about truth, no matter how old it is,
it remains truth.

Originally posted by @moonbus
And then it receded. Receding water would have carried anything not nailed down back downhill.

Now tell us where all that water, which allegedly covered the highest mountain tops, receded TO? There is no plug hole at the bottom of the ocean.

If you look at the whole 66 books you will see that the earth started out covered with water,
and it happen again during the flood. Yes it receded, but not until it was covered.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
God does something supernatural the details I have no doubt He took care of. The aftermath is where you would see it.

There we have it, the 'God's Magic Get Out of Jail Free Card'. Try and debate something from a rational point of view and when that fails lay the 'God's Magic' card. Easy.

Originally posted by @moonbus
Really, is that the best you can come up with now? 'God must have sorted out all the details.' Come off it. Why didn't God simply make all the evil people disappear by thinking them out of existence? One simple miracle. It makes no sense for an almighty Being to go through the ludicrous rigmarole of orchestrating a flood and then 'fixing' dozens of impossibilities wth separate little miracles, each more improbable than the last.

Not the best the reality of it, you think God who wanted to do an event supernatural would
not cover all of the bases? Raising someone from the dead, oh wait, their remained
decomposed, damn near zombie like, or raised and completely healed? Since God
created the universe from nothing, simply by the power of His word, why would dozens of
little impossibilities be a concern?

Remember, God is eternal in scope both time and space, He is all knowing, He is all
powerful, to name a few of His traits. Someone who can study all of the universe in an
instant, while looking at each parts down the smallest individually, since He isn't bound by
time can cover the details of an event He wants to do? He kept the people's cloths from
wearing out as they walked in the desert 40 years, feed them, gave them water, this is
the one you think would fall short at the details?

Originally posted by @proper-knob
There we have it, the 'God's Magic Get Out of Jail Free Card'. Try and debate something from a rational point of view and when that fails lay the 'God's Magic' card. Easy.

Normally I don't, but when it is called for yes I will. You believe in things you cannot prove
don't you, like all life came from a single life form, or do you reject that?

Originally posted by @kellyjay
Normally I don't, but when it is called for yes I will. You believe in things you cannot prove
don't you, like all life came from a single life form, or do you reject that?

That all life shares a common ancestor is scientific fact. You may of course dispute it, but it still remains a scientific fact.

Originally posted by @proper-knob
That all life shares a common ancestor is scientific fact. You may of course dispute it, but it still remains a scientific fact.

You prove my point, scientific fact...and that system is only good until the next piece of
data shows up and what we thought was a fact no longer is. Scientific facts are not reality
they are simply what people think today with what they have.