Originally posted by daniel58To his bride said the Texan detective
God can only HELP them get to Heaven, like I said before, He cannot MAKE them go to Heaven, I can help him to by praying for him, NOT judging him (which I'm not).
-- "Can it be that my eyesight's defective?
Has your west tit the least bit
The best of your east tit?
Or is it a trick or perspective?"
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Originally posted by KellyJayBut KellyJay, which way are we able to bring up any kind of acknowledgment without conducting our evaluated process through our own experiential reality that takes place within our world?
I believe what was being described there wasn't an experiential reality,
but an acknolwedgement that we are aware of it and how we behave
because we are exposed to it.
Kelly
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Originally posted by black beetleIs there a reason that you didn't address the specific scenario and questions in my post?
Whatever you stated is accurate, however it remains a result of your (and of mine too) thinking process -a process at the level of body/ speech/ mind. But this exact state of being, which is also determind by the mind, is similar to the value of the "bit" (for example, I could say that "zero" is our conceptual awareness within our dualistic world and "o ...[text shortened]... s the essense of a specific standing alone "truth" as is😵
Originally posted by Bosse de NageThis really doesn't give me much to go on, but I suspect that perhaps you are projecting intent into my statements that were not explicitly stated.
I'm just asking you to say what you mean by 'there is an ultimate truth'. My assumption is that it's impossible to speak meaningfully about something that nobody has experienced. Therefore if you are talking about something that you have experienced or reporting something that somebody else has purportedly experienced, please do so explicitly. If, on the other hand, you're indulging in metaphysical speculation, I won't kill your buzz!
It'd really help if you'd explicitly state what you find "meaningful" or state your conceptual model of "truth" and "reality". You speak of what someone has "experienced", but I don't think of what I've posted as necessarily having to have been "experienced". If you're alluding to what some might call a "religious experience", this isn't where I'm coming from.
Originally posted by black beetleI think you need to review what it was I wrote about what Lewis said.
But KellyJay, which way are we able to bring up any kind of acknowledgment without conducting our evaluated process through our own experiential reality that takes place within our world?
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The reason we argue is because there isn't a need to create
knowledge on there is a right or wrong with the person we are in an
argument with, we will debate our versions of it, but we already
know the other person is aware of it so there are appeals to it.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayThere is a right or wrong (etc) solely in relation with our interpretation of our experiential reality. We may both admire a Picasso, however our interpretation can be totally different; I never claimed that this piece of art by Picasso was a delusion. We may both try to analyse a chess position, however Fischer would be able to go deeper than us although we are all of us three "aware of the same position" -and I never claimed that the position was a delusion.
I think you need to review what it was I wrote about what Lewis said.
The reason we argue is because there isn't a need to create
knowledge on there is a right or wrong with the person we are in an
argument with, we will debate our versions of it, but we already
know the other person is aware of it so there are appeals to it.
Kelly
Of course the point is, what is the "meaning" we attribute to our experiential reality -I see the universe as an observer whilst you see out of it a so called "creation by god"🙂
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneBut I clearly told you that "Whatever you stated is accurate...", and then I worked on your scenario offering my thoughts. In your opinion, what part of your scenario I answered not?
Is there a reason that you didn't address the specific scenario and questions in my post?
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneI am sure that everything has to be experienced. Whatever we see, hear, touch, smell, taste and think is a result of the process of our body/ speech/ mind mechanism and of our six senses operating constantly within the Worlds 1, 2 and 3. Even when we proceed without seemingly "direct" experience, as you posed it at this post of yours to which I now reply, a specific modification of my mind enables me to experience your personal filtered experiential reality "as if" I had a direct experience of it in situ😵
This really doesn't give me much to go on, but I suspect that perhaps you are projecting intent into my statements that were not explicitly stated.
It'd really help if you'd explicitly state what you find "meaningful" or state your conceptual model of "truth" and "reality". You speak of what someone has "experienced", but I don't think of what I've ...[text shortened]... some might call a "religious experience", this isn't where I'm coming from.
Originally posted by black beetleI also see it as an observer, and a creation of God, one does not do
There is a right or wrong (etc) solely in relation with our interpretation of our experiential reality. We may both admire a Picasso, however our interpretation can be totally different; I never claimed that this piece of art by Picasso was a delusion. We may both try to analyse a chess position, however Fischer would be able to go deeper than us althou ...[text shortened]... I see the universe as an observer whilst you see out of it a so called "creation by god"🙂
away with the other.
Kelly
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneI'm asking you, with tears in my eyes, to tell me where you're coming from.
This really doesn't give me much to go on, but I suspect that perhaps you are projecting intent into my statements that were not explicitly stated.
It'd really help if you'd explicitly state what you find "meaningful" or state your conceptual model of "truth" and "reality". You speak of what someone has "experienced", but I don't think of what I've ...[text shortened]... some might call a "religious experience", this isn't where I'm coming from.
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Originally posted by black beetleI do believe God created it and has in place laws that govern the
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universe as He has also set in place laws we are by our choices
also held to account, that when obeyed give us a peaceful and blessed
life. Watching it work itself out is both a scary and amazing thing to
behold at times.
Kelly