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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
trust me dude, its obsolete, we are under a new covenant (agreement)
where can i read the laws of the new covenant. does it state that 'all' of the old laws have been abolished.

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Originally posted by FMF
All the views I express are my own. I am open and honest and forthright. I do not hedge. I do not try to distance myself from the views I express. I do not hide behind them being someone else's. On the contrary, you will not tell us what your personal views are and you refuse to endorse the "the Biblical point of view". People will make what they will of this pe ...[text shortened]... cally state whether you personally agree or disagree with the "the Biblical point of view".
sigh, clearly you are unaware of the following,

(John 7:16-18) .“What I teach is not mine, but belongs to him that sent me. If anyone desires to do His will, he will know concerning the teaching whether it is from God or I speak of my own originality. He that speaks of his own originality is seeking his own glory; but he that seeks the glory of him that sent him, this one is true, and there is no unrighteousness in him.

perhaps you place a higher regard on your own opinions than I do of mine.

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Originally posted by stellspalfie
where can i read the laws of the new covenant. does it state that 'all' of the old laws have been abolished.
In the Bible.

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
perhaps you place a higher regard on your own opinions than I do of mine.
Well that's exactly it. I am asking you what your own opinions are. And you refuse to say.

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Originally posted by FMF
Well that's exactly it. I am asking you what your own opinions are. And you refuse to say.
I am not here to discuss my personal opinions FMF, i am here to represent the Biblical stance.

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I am not here to discuss my personal opinions FMF, i am here to represent the Biblical stance.
Do your personal opinions coincide with "the Biblical stance"? Mine do not. Do yours?

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Originally posted by FMF
Do your personal opinions coincide with "the Biblical stance"? Mine do not. Do yours?
Dude please, that's private.

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Dude please, that's private.
It's peculiar that your personal opinions are secret. Everybody else in this discussion is being open and forthright. OK, I get it; you don't want to endorse "the Biblical point of view". But what purpose does your secrecy on this issue serve?

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Originally posted by FMF
It's peculiar that your personal opinions are secret. Everybody else in this discussion is being open and forthright. OK, I get it; you don't want to endorse "the Biblical point of view". But what purpose does your secrecy on this issue serve?
let it go FMF, you want to discuss the Biblical perspective, fine, otherwise please spare me.

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
let it go FMF, you want to discuss the Biblical perspective, fine, otherwise please spare me.
The "Biblical perspective" is hardly relevant to people who do not subscribe to it, even more so if you refuse to personally endorse it. On top of that, your own personal opinion is a secret. We just have a slew of misanthropic sentiments aimed at gays, and you won't say if you personally subscribe to what you are saying and you won't tell us if you endorse them as "the Biblical point of view". Just nastiness towards people whose sexual orientation you claim to disapprove of, and you can't even say whether or not they are your views or even whether you agree with them. It's not much of a contribution to a discussion.

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
In the Bible.
nothing ive managed to find says all mosaic law is obsolete. all a kind find is jesus rewording the ten commandments. so where does it say that all mosaic law is obsolete?


Originally posted by FMF
The "Biblical perspective" is hardly relevant to people who do not subscribe to it, even more so if you refuse to personally endorse it. On top of that, your own personal opinion is a secret. We just have a slew of misanthropic sentiments aimed at gays, and you won't say if you personally subscribe to what you are saying and you won't tell us if you endorse them ...[text shortened]... ws or even whether you agree with them. It's not much of a contribution to a discussion.
well then find someone else to discuss it with, i wont miss it or take it personally.

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Originally posted by stellspalfie
nothing ive managed to find says all mosaic law is obsolete. all a kind find is jesus rewording the ten commandments. so where does it say that all mosaic law is obsolete?
sigh,

(Colossians 2:13, 14) Furthermore, though you were dead in your trespasses and in the uncircumcised state of your flesh, [God] made you alive together with him. He kindly forgave us all our trespasses and blotted out the handwritten document against us, which consisted of decrees and which was in opposition to us; and He has taken it out of the way by nailing it to the torture stake.

the handwritten document which consisted of decrees was the mosaic law. Paul describes it as being nailed to the torture stake in that Christ fulfilled the law. The law was simply a mechanism which should have led people towards accepting the Christ.

(Hebrews 9:15) So that is why he is a mediator of a new covenant, in order that, because a death has occurred for [their] release by ransom from the transgressions under the former covenant, the ones who have been called might receive the promise of the everlasting inheritance.

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
sigh,

(Colossians 2:13, 14) Furthermore, though you were dead in your trespasses and in the uncircumcised state of your flesh, [God] made you alive together with him. He kindly forgave us all our trespasses and blotted out the handwritten document against us, which consisted of decrees and which was in opposition to us; and He has taken it out of ...[text shortened]... ovenant, the ones who have been called might receive the promise of the everlasting inheritance.
that doesnt say all the old laws are obsolete. it means that following the law is no longer required for salvation. it is also referring to the clean slate given to man by the sacrifice of jesus, it doesnt say that the laws no longer apply. hence jesus rewording and only slightly altering the 10 commandments, all the previous laws are still applicable but no longer needed for salvation as man was incapable of following them.

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I am not here to discuss my personal opinions FMF, i am here to represent the Biblical stance.
you never did tell me if you find the male form beautiful or not?