NZ gay marriage act

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yeah that right i need validation.

yup, spot on. you like to assume you are on the higher moral ground. before you took your little break you hammered on here for your homophobia making you the moral 'bad guy' which didnt sit well with your self image (hence the running away), as soon as you come back you are trying to point out just how homophobic people are, trying to normalize it and make your cloaked homophobia more moral than that of the average person. its all about the ego.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I was not looking for anti gay anything, its not my fault your secular liberal world has not reached everyone with its all encompassing message , is it.

On the internet, you found anti gay stuff and you found stuff that was not anti gay. What is the point you are trying to make?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
oh dear, so its only in your cozy little secular liberal world that every thing is nice and cozy, who would have thought it?

yes actually i do live in a nice little liberal world thanks. that doesnt mean im not aware of the levels of homophobia, im well aware that homophobia is still at unacceptable levels, you are a prime example . i grew up on a moss-side like estate (as did a bunch of my non-homophobic friends), i have lots of gay friends, i have homophobic family members. what makes you so qualified to comment on what people think? because you read youtube posts?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
yup, spot on. you like to assume you are on the higher moral ground. before you took your little break you hammered on here for your homophobia making you the moral 'bad guy' which didnt sit well with your self image (hence the running away), as soon as you come back you are trying to point out just how homophobic people are trying to normalize it and make your cloaked homophobia more moral than that of the average person. its all about the ego.

that is where you are quite wrong, because i am not expressing my own personal point of view, but a Biblical one, pity that, for your ludicrous assertions of egotism. The fact that you accept something that is contrary to nature is your affair. As for me, my conscience is working and its clean. I have not stated that I am superior, morally or otherwise, although i certainly think that homosexual practice can be detrimental to ones health, but that aside, but to try to justify your stance with these types of tabloid assertions its perhaps more a reflection of your own skewed world rather than of mine.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
yes actually i do live in a nice little liberal world thanks. that doesnt mean im not aware of the levels of homophobia, im well aware that homophobia is still at unacceptable levels, you are a prime example . i grew up on a moss-side like estate (as did a bunch of my non-homophobic friends), i have lots of gay friends, i have homophobic family members. what makes you so qualified to comment on what people think? because you read youtube posts?

oh dear, is your word crumbling because people dont accept your morality, there there, it will be all right in the morning, think of something nice. Think of all the world in one great gay parade, that should make you feel better, shouldn't it.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
that is where you are quite wrong, because i am not expressing my own personal point of view, but a Biblical one, pity that, for your ludicrous assertions of egotism.

Is your own personal point of view the same as the "Biblical [point of view]" you mentioned?

Originally posted by FMF
Ask Wolfgang59. He lives there.

If gays can get married like anyone else, if there is full recognition of a gay marriage on the part of the state, if there are full inheritance rights the same as heterosexuals, full access to children and relatives in cases of estrangement or family/partner death, full legal protections, equality in the eyes of the law, in te robbie. Here in Indonesia, alas, we have a long way to go on every single aspect of this issue.

so lets get this, the only 'civil right', that was being denied to them was marriage? and now they have usurped that, what will they shout about next? And if that is the case, then your assertion of institutionalised discrimination amounts to what, in the case of New Zealand? propaganda!

Originally posted by FMF
Is your own personal point of view the same as the "Biblical [point of view]" you mentioned?

I am not presenting my own point of view and I would rather not, to be honest, i dont want to sound harsh by telling you that its none of your business, but it is, none of your business.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
so lets get this, the only 'civil right', that was being denied to them was marriage? and now they have usurped that, what will they shout about next?

The public domain is in many respects a political one; people "shout" about all manner of things. Some have moral/political merit, and others don't. It is part of the very nature of society and culture. It's a process.

Originally posted by FMF
The public domain is in many respects a political one; people "shout" about all manner of things. Some have moral/political merit, and others don't. It is part of the very nature of society and culture. It's a process.

your assertion therefore of institutionalised discrimination, in the case of New Zealand amounted to naught but propaganda, didn't it, for there was no discrimination other than marriage being denied to gays, was there.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
that is where you are quite wrong, because i am not expressing my own personal point of view, but a Biblical one, pity that, for your ludicrous assertions of egotism. The fact that you accept something that is contrary to nature is your affair. As for me, my conscience is working and its clean. I have not stated that I am superior, morally or othe ...[text shortened]... f tabloid assertions its perhaps more a reflection of your own skewed world rather than of mine.

exactly the response i would expect from somebody desperate to protect their fickle ego.

separating yourself from the opinions you follow is another interesting way for you to protect your ego, you get to have some extreme views without having to accept responsibility for them. almost psychopathic.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I am not presenting my own point of view and I would rather not, to be honest, i dont want to sound harsh by telling you that its none of your business, but it is, none of your business.

Well your personal point of view would be more relevant, as the people you are having this discussion with, for the most part, don't subscribe to the Bible's "point of view" and they are sharing their personal points of view with you. Logically, we have to assume that your your own personal point of view the same as the "Biblical [point of view]".

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
your assertion therefore of institutionalised discrimination, in the case of New Zealand amounted to naught but propaganda, didn't it, for there was no discrimination other than marriage being denied to gays, was there.

If gays are allowed to marry just like anyone else, and are not discriminated against in any legal or financial way, then you and I are in total agreement robbie.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
exactly the response i would expect from somebody desperate to protect their fickle ego.

separating yourself from the opinions you follow is another interesting way for you to protect your ego, you get to have some extreme views without having to accept responsibility for them. almost psychopathic.

Thank you Dr Freud , i wondered how long it would take before you ascribed some other mysterious mental ailment to me, first homophobia and now psychosis. As text book a case of secular liberalism as i have come across.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
oh dear, is your word crumbling because people dont accept your morality, there there, it will be all right in the morning, think of something nice. Think of all the world in one great gay parade, that should make you feel better, shouldn't it.

interesting spin an what i wrote. i say, im aware that homophobia exists but claim the general population and future generations in particular are showing progress in eradicating homophobia, id say a rather positive attitude

and you see this as my world crumbling because my morality is not being followed???

a desperate attempt to imagine a different conversation into reality, once again to attempt to establish a higher morality in an exchange even if it means fabricating what has been written. this is a form of delusion another worring example of of psychopathic behavior.