NZ gay marriage act

Originally posted by FMF
If gays are allowed to marry just like anyone else, and are not discriminated against in any legal or financial way, then you and I are in total agreement robbie.

No FMF, you stated that they was institutionalised discrimination, and cited denial of employment opportunities, legal rights etc etc, i asked you in the case of New Zealand, how these were being denied to gays, you cannot answer, because to do so would be self incriminating, because the fact of the matter is, that civil partnerships take care of all of these 'issues', dont they and therefore your assertion that these basic human rights, in the case of New Zealand were being denied, was naught but propaganda, wasn't it.

Of course in an Islamic state there is no room for these things, although it has been my own experience that homosexuality is tolerated, if hidden, and carries less of an extreme penalty than does running way with someone whom you love.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
interesting spin an what i wrote. i say, im aware that homophobia exists but claim the general population and future generations in particular are showing progress in eradicating homophobia, id say a rather positive attitude

and you see this as my world crumbling because my morality is not being followed???

a desperate attempt to imagine a differ ...[text shortened]... as been written. this is a form of delusion another worring example of of psychopathic behavior.

Indeed its a wonder I can find my way to the bathroom in the morning without the help of assistance and or anti-psychotics.

Originally posted by FMF
Well your personal point of view would be more relevant, as the people you are having this discussion with, for the most part, don't subscribe to the Bible's "point of view" and they are sharing their personal points of view with you. Logically, we have to assume that your your own personal point of view the same as the "Biblical [point of view]".

then if you are prepared to accept a belief on the basis of an assumption, that is your affair.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
No FMF, you stated that they was institutionalised discrimination, and cited denial of employment opportunities, legal rights etc etc, i asked you in the case of New Zealand, etc. etc....

Well, if it's all been irreversibly dismantled and is a thing of the past, and homosexuals can people can get married like heterosexuals, then all is good. I withdraw my suggestion that New Zealand still had problems in this regard, if it's true that it doesn't. And if you welcome this post-discrimination status for gays, and believe that consensual sexual relations between adults is a matter for the free exercise of the faculty of their conscience, then you and I are in complete agreement over this issue.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
then if you are prepared to accept a belief on the basis of an assumption, that is your affair.

So your personal point of view about homosexuals is a secret and you offer in its place someone else's point of view, is that it?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Thank you Dr Freud , i wondered how long it would take before you ascribed some other mysterious mental ailment to me, first homophobia and now psychosis. As text book a case of secular liberalism as i have come across.

i got the first one right - you are homophobic.

you may or may not be psychopathic, but you exhibit a worrying amount of symptoms.


definatly these -
Glibness/superficial charm
Grandiose sense of self-worth
Pathological lying
Cunning/manipulative
Poor behavioral controls
Failure to accept responsibility for own actions


and youve hinted at these before -
Early behavioral problems
juvenile delinquency

Originally posted by FMF
Well, if it's all been irreversibly dismantled and is a thing of the past, and homosexuals can people can get married like heterosexuals, then all is good. I withdraw my suggestion that New Zealand still had problems in this regard, if it's true that it doesn't. And if you welcome this post-discrimination status for gays, and believe that consensual sexual relat ...[text shortened]... of the faculty of their conscience, then you and I are in complete agreement over this issue.

yes they are free moral agents, but so are psychopaths, simply exercising the faculty of conscience does not make the action right, does it? for what if ones conscience is faulty? or fails to function rendering a bad decision?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
i got the first one right - you are homophobic.

you may or may not be psychopathic, but you exhibit a worrying amount of symptoms.


definatly these -
Glibness/superficial charm
Grandiose sense of self-worth
Pathological lying
Cunning/manipulative
Poor behavioral controls
Failure to accept responsibility for own actions


and youve hinted at these before -
Early behavioral problems
juvenile delinquency

thank you for the free psychoanalysis Dr Freud, ill be sure to visit your quackery again!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yes they are free moral agents, but so are psychopaths, simply exercising the faculty of conscience does not make the action right, does it? for what if ones conscience is faulty?

I don't see why you thinking the "action" of gays is "wrong" or their "conscience is faulty" should impinge on their equality with you as fellow citizens and in the eyes of the law. if psychopaths commit crimes they should be imprisoned.

Originally posted by FMF
I don't see why you thinking the "action" of gays is "wrong" or their "conscience is faulty" should impinge on their equality with you as fellow citizens and in the eyes of the law. if psychopaths commit crimes they should be imprisoned.

Its considered contrary to nature, as Paul intimates, and this does not impinge upon their equality as citizens, if they want to live to together get a civil partnership, but marriage is defined as an act of union between a man and a woman, sorry.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
thank you for the free psychoanalysis Dr Freud, ill be sure to visit your quackery again!

no problem, now weve sorted that out. do you want to talk about your sex issues. you mentioned earlier that you obsess of women all day, do you feel this is causing a negative self image?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
no problem, now weve sorted that out. do you want to talk about your sex issues. you mentioned earlier that you obsess of women all day, do you feel this is causing a negative self image?

obsess, plueeeze, I am an artist, I contemplate beauty in all forms. Its my nature.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Its considered contrary to nature, as Paul intimates, and this does not impinge upon their equality as citizens, if they want to live to together get a civil partnership, but marriage is defined as an act of union between a man and a woman, sorry.

the bible prices rape at 50 sheckles. do you still think rape should cost 50 sheckles?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Its considered contrary to nature, as Paul intimates, and this does not impinge upon their equality as citizens, if they want to live to together get a civil partnership, but marriage is defined as an act of union between a man and a woman, sorry.

"Marriage", as with all language items, is what people say it is. Something similar can be said for "culture": it is the sum total of what people do and say, and is always evolving. There's nothing to stop you from insisting that marriage, for you, is "defined as an act of union between a man and a woman", but culture changes and is perhaps leaving you behind on this issue.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
the bible prices rape at 50 sheckles. do you still think rape should cost 50 sheckles?

what i think is irrelevant.