Obedience vs Disobedience

Originally posted by @fmf
Don't be so silly. You sound like a teenager still trapped in a cult. Your beliefs are not objective. The Bible does not make whatever you profess to believe "objective". Believers in the Bible - Christians - are as subjective in their thinking as they come.

The death penalty is OK. The death penalty is not OK. Blood transfusions are OK, Blood transfusions ...[text shortened]... nions "objective" is plain daft. Wake up. Grow up. Open your eyes. Stop thinking like a cultist.

So are you saying there are no morals that Christians do agree on? I would readily admit that the Bible is not clear on every single moral issue and that some issues may be open to interpretation. But that doesn't mean it isn't clear on quite a few issues.

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The topic at hand is whether or not the Bible offers an objective moral standard. If you think that I have to answer your questions while you continue to ignore mine, forget it.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
So are you saying there are no morals that Christians do agree on?

What I am saying does not need you to offer a caricature of it in question form in lieu of a response. It is plain spoken and clear as it is. No caricature necessary I'd be interested in a genuine response.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
I would readily admit that the Bible is not clear on every single moral issue and that some issues may be open to interpretation.

It lends itself to subjectivity. It's a popular and sometimes useful tool in forming moral sensibilities. As a source of some supposedly "objective" standard it's poor, divisive, self-contradictory, muddled, and not-credible.

Originally posted by @fmf
It lends itself to subjectivity. It's a popular and sometimes useful tool in forming moral sensibilities. As a source of some supposedly "objective" standard it's poor, divisive, self-contradictory, muddled, and not-credible.

Compared to what for example? Your personal preferences?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Compared to what for example? Your personal preferences?

As you well know, I have never made the same kind of silly, pretentious, self-anointing claims about my moral sensibilities that you make about yours.

Originally posted by @fmf
Don't be so silly. You sound like a teenager still trapped in a cult. Your beliefs are not objective. The Bible does not make whatever you profess to believe "objective". Believers in the Bible - Christians - are as subjective in their thinking as they come.

The death penalty is OK. The death penalty is not OK. Blood transfusions are OK, Blood transfusions ...[text shortened]... nions "objective" is plain daft. Wake up. Grow up. Open your eyes. Stop thinking like a cultist.

The fact that some Christians who don't know their Bibles disagree on certain moral standpoints doesn't necessarily mean that the Bible isn't clear on most of those issues that you have raised. Some Christians don't use the Bible as their moral reference point whereas others do, which could easily explain that discrepancy.

Originally posted by @fmf
As you well know, I have never made the same kind of silly, pretentious, self-anointing claims about my moral sensibilities that you make about yours.

For the obvious reason that your morality is a matter of personal preference whereas mine is guided by the unchanging (absolute) word of God. 😉

Originally posted by @dj2becker
For the obvious reason that your morality is a matter of personal preference whereas mine is guided by the unchanging (absolute) word of God. 😉

What the Bible says changes every time a person not in God's hands claims to be a Christian.

The people who claim to know God, but are not Jesus' sheep are assumed to be Christian too. So what they claim the Bible to mean gets accepted as what the Bible means. In essence the meaning of the Bible is in constant change.

Originally posted by @eladar
What the Bible says changes every time a person not in God's hands claims to be a Christian.

The people who claim to know God, but are not Jesus' sheep are assumed to be Christian too. So what they claim the Bible to mean gets accepted as what the Bible means. In essence the meaning of the Bible is in constant change.

What the Bible says doesn't change, what people claim the Bible is saying may change.

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Maybe so, do you regard the Bible as an entirely subjective standard of morality?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Maybe so, do you regard the Bible as an entirely subjective standard of morality?

As usual Divegeester runs away when he is the one who needs to provide answers.