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Originally posted by menace71The universe is what it is with respect to its age, if God is true and let us know it is young
Humphrey's theory included the possibility of a white hole ( opposite of a black hole ) but I watched him in an interview and as with any theory he admitted that his theory was not perfect and could have flaws .......I think for creationist sometimes they jump on some crazy theory and ignore physics and laws to prove that the earth is young .....however if ...[text shortened]... always start from the premise that God is not a deceiver so then our understanding must be wrong
or old and we took it upon ourselves to reject those claims, that would not mean that God is
false, but we are not all that bright!
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Originally posted by KellyJayBut the thing is, the real truth of the matter, your god did not tell us the age of the universe, it was only inferred by men from the Ab begat Rachel who begat billy who begat Aristotle and so forth, totally believing in the absolute accuracy of such a document.
The universe is what it is with respect to its age, if God is true and let us know it is young
or old and we took it upon ourselves to reject those claims, that would not mean that God is
false, but we are not all that bright!
I don't suppose there is the slightest doubt as to the accuracy of that series, right?
Is there some claim that that X begat Y Begat Z tale was somehow written by god through some man?
Isn't it the case that that begat tale was fully written by men and thus liable to be off by a few hundred generations?
Originally posted by sonhouseAccording to you that is true, but if I were to take scripture seriously and I do God made
But the thing is, the real truth of the matter, your god did not tell us the age of the universe, it was only inferred by men from the Ab begat Rachel who begat billy who begat Aristotle and so forth, totally believing in the absolute accuracy of such a document.
I don't suppose there is the slightest doubt as to the accuracy of that series, right?
...[text shortened]... that begat tale was fully written by men and thus liable to be off by a few hundred generations?
known what took place to man.
Originally posted by KellyJayAgreed .....but what I'm saying is that there are certain things that are known like the speed of light "c" and physics for the most part as we know them are established....so knowing these things we have to accept that for example the supernova that we see @ 10,000 light years away is truly that far away as it takes light that long to travel for us to see it. If that is true than we know the universe is at least that old
The universe is what it is with respect to its age, if God is true and let us know it is young
or old and we took it upon ourselves to reject those claims, that would not mean that God is
false, but we are not all that bright!
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Originally posted by menace71As I said earlier we do not know how the universe got here. If Adam was formed
Agreed .....but what I'm saying is that there are certain things that are known like the speed of light "c" and physics for the most part as we know them are established....so knowing these things we have to accept that for example the supernova that we see @ 10,000 light years away is truly that far away as it takes light that long to travel for us to see it. If that is true than we know the universe is at least that old
as an adult than all of his body functions would have been in place, you could not
look at any part of his anatomy to make a judgment call on age. Assuming that than
being able quantity age nothing about rates and distances could be used. Since
they must have been going on since the beginning which they would not have been
they would not have started as we assume they did, they would have started at the
time of creation.
Originally posted by KellyJayI understand .....God could have made the universe with age or mature already
As I said earlier we do not know how the universe got here. If Adam was formed
as an adult than all of his body functions would have been in place, you could not
look at any part of his anatomy to make a judgment call on age. Assuming that than
being able quantity age nothing about rates and distances could be used. Since
they must have been going on si ...[text shortened]... would not have started as we assume they did, they would have started at the
time of creation.
Manny
Originally posted by menace71The point of the universe was/is to what, in my opinion it is to support life. Why would
I understand .....God could have made the universe with age or mature already
Manny
God be limited as we are when baking a cake? It isn't like it would be harder or easier for
Him to speak it into reality as it is now, then it would be to create matter, energy, create
the rules/laws for these smash them all together and let it all go BANG and form life a few
billion years later.
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Originally posted by KellyJayTo be clear, I'm not sold that the theory is the one true theory, but I think he is on the right track.
Okay, new to me.
Thanks
In the end, we are still like Job. We don't know how God made the foundations of the world, but there are never ending clues and a never increasing knowledge for those that probe those mysteries.
Seek and ye shall find. 😵
-For me, the creation of the world is more of a puzzle than a theological doctrine.
Originally posted by whodeyI agree it isn't a make or break piece of doctrine. I don't see why God who can do anything
To be clear, I'm not sold that the theory is the one true theory, but I think he is on the right track.
In the end, we are still like Job. We don't know how God made the foundations of the world, but there are never ending clues and a never increasing knowledge for those that probe those mysteries.
Seek and ye shall find. 😵
-For me, the creation of the world is more of a puzzle than a theological doctrine.
have to take billions of years to do something He could also do in a day.
Originally posted by KellyJayIn Psalms it says that a thousand years is like a day to God.
I agree it isn't a make or break piece of doctrine. I don't see why God who can do anything
have to take billions of years to do something He could also do in a day.
Take it up with the Bible.
Originally posted by sonhouseYou don't know shyte about it. You are only trolling. 😏
But the thing is, the real truth of the matter, your god did not tell us the age of the universe, it was only inferred by men from the Ab begat Rachel who begat billy who begat Aristotle and so forth, totally believing in the absolute accuracy of such a document.
I don't suppose there is the slightest doubt as to the accuracy of that series, right?
...[text shortened]... that begat tale was fully written by men and thus liable to be off by a few hundred generations?
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Originally posted by whodeyThe apostle Peter said:
In Psalms it says that a thousand years is like a day to God.
Take it up with the Bible.
But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.
(2 Peter 3:8 NASB)
The meaning is that God is not limited by time for He put the Laws in place to rule over His creations, not to rule over Him.
HalleluYaH !!!
Praise the LORD !!!
Holy! Holy! Holy!
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Originally posted by whodeyI am aware of the verse and have read the whole Bible.
In Psalms it says that a thousand years is like a day to God.
Take it up with the Bible.
That said just because God being an eternal being looks at time differently than we do,
does not mean that when He is revealing things to us, that He'd use terms we would miss.
I believe He would be very clear using words we would grasp the meaning to, to make
His points understood.
I believe people take that verse and just try to muck up the discussion.
Originally posted by KellyJayBut I've pointed out the terms that have not been missed.
I am aware of the verse and have read the whole Bible.
That said just because God being an eternal being looks at time differently than we do,
does not mean that when He is revealing things to us, that He'd use terms we would miss.
I believe He would be very clear using words we would grasp the meaning to, to make
His points understood.
I believe people take that verse and just try to muck up the discussion.
Granted, not everyone has understood them, but then, you could say that about anything written in the Bible.