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Originally posted by ThinkOfOneMy spiritual tradition. Hmmm...
Many spiritual traditions speak of "delusion". How is "delusion" defined in your spiritual tradition? It would be helpful if you could cite a few examples illustrating some common "delusions".
When it comes to the meaning of words, my bible is the dictionary. Any standard one will do, although there are several books in my bible. As needed, there is a medical dictionary, technical dictionary, legal dictionary, etc.
In this case:
Delusion
False belief system (e.g., believing you are Napoleon, have magical powers, or the false belief that others are 'out to get you.'😉.
http://allpsych.com/dictionary/d.html
23 Oct 12
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneThe delusion that I sometimes get accused of harbouring is that I believe that I will enjoy immortality even though I do not subscribe to a religion. However, in actual fact, I don't believe I will enjoy immortality because I do not subscribe to a religion. There is a delusion in there somewhere, but I am not sure whose.
Many spiritual traditions speak of "delusion". How is "delusion" defined in your spiritual tradition? It would be helpful if you could cite a few examples illustrating some common "delusions".
23 Oct 12
Originally posted by FMFAlmost all of us live with delusions whether its religious or secular. The religious set has fallen for the god delusion hook line and sinker in spite of the fact there are hundreds if not thousands of religions and a lot of them are diametrically opposed to one another, not something a god would have set up, but something that would follow quite naturally from the whole thing being made up by mankind.
The delusion that I sometimes get accused of harbouring is that I believe that I will enjoy immortality even though I do not subscribe to a religion. However, in actual fact, I don't believe I will enjoy immortality because I do not subscribe to a religion. There is a delusion in there somewhere, but I am not sure whose.
The secular set could have delusions of thinking they are free and such when in reality they are controlled by societal rules just as much as the deluded religious set.
23 Oct 12
Originally posted by JS357Perhaps I needed to be more clear. From what I've seen, those spiritual traditions that speak of "delusion" seem to have an esoteric definition within the context of the respective tradition. I'm interested in how the various traditions define "delusion".
My spiritual tradition. Hmmm...
When it comes to the meaning of words, my bible is the dictionary. Any standard one will do, although there are several books in my bible. As needed, there is a medical dictionary, technical dictionary, legal dictionary, etc.
In this case:
Delusion
False belief system (e.g., believing you are Napoleon, have magical ...[text shortened]... the false belief that others are 'out to get you.'😉.
http://allpsych.com/dictionary/d.html
23 Oct 12
Originally posted by FMFlol. I have to wonder if it's both.
The delusion that I sometimes get accused of harbouring is that I believe that I will enjoy immortality even though I do not subscribe to a religion. However, in actual fact, I don't believe I will enjoy immortality because I do not subscribe to a religion. There is a delusion in there somewhere, but I am not sure whose.
Insisting that you are saying that you believe you " will enjoy immortality because I do not subscribe to a religion" when you actually say that you believe you" will enjoy immortality even though [you] do not subscribe to a religion" seems to be a delusion.
Unless you can provide evidence or a reasoned argument that you will enjoy mortality, I'd be strongly inclined to believe that this is also a delusion.
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23 Oct 12
Originally posted by sonhouseClearly, Satan has deluded you.
Almost all of us live with delusions whether its religious or secular. The religious set has fallen for the god delusion hook line and sinker in spite of the fact there are hundreds if not thousands of religions and a lot of them are diametrically opposed to one another, not something a god would have set up, but something that would follow quite naturally ...[text shortened]... when in reality they are controlled by societal rules just as much as the deluded religious set.
I thought I'd be first to say so.
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23 Oct 12
Originally posted by ThinkOfOne"Reality is a collective hunch." -- Lily Tomlin
lol. I have to wonder if it's both.
Insisting that you are saying that you believe you " will enjoy immortality because I do not subscribe to a religion" when you actually say that you believe you" will enjoy immortality even though [you] do not subscribe to a religion" seems to be a delusion.
Unless you can provide evidence or a reasoned ar ...[text shortened]... ou will enjoy mortality, I'd be strongly inclined to believe that this is also a delusion.
PS Have you googled on the notion of delusion you are talking about?
23 Oct 12
Originally posted by JS357I'll assume that your response was meant to refer to my response to you rather than my response to FMF.
"Reality is a collective hunch." -- Lily Tomlin
PS Have you googled on the notion of delusion you are talking about?
I was looking to engage in discussions about "delusion" with practitioners of various spiritual traditions rather than read canned defintions from various websites. Quite frankly, I've yet to find any definitions that wouldn't seemingly require the practioner to delude himself into assimilating views that are outside of reality. I was hoping that a discussion might shed some light on why that may not be true.
24 Oct 12
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneI don't believe there is any immortality for anyone. Sorry if my offhand post earlier made it unclear [and on reflection, I think it did].
Insisting that you are saying that you believe you " will enjoy immortality because I do not subscribe to a religion" when you actually say that you believe you" will enjoy immortality even though [you] do not subscribe to a religion" seems to be a delusion.
Unless you can provide evidence or a reasoned argument that you will enjoy mortality, I'd be strongly inclined to believe that this is also a delusion.
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneThe coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Many spiritual traditions speak of "delusion". How is "delusion" defined in your spiritual tradition? It would be helpful if you could cite a few examples illustrating some common "delusions".
(2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 NKJV)
I think delusion is something that appears to be the truth, but is actually a lie, like evolution for the atheist.
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Originally posted by ThinkOfOneYes. I don't know of any spiritual traditions that speak of "delusion", except those that speak of delusion of those people who are not adherents of that spiritual tradition. Can you provide examples of these "Many spiritual traditions [that] speak of "delusion"? Maybe that would help.
I'll assume that your response was meant to refer to my response to you rather than my response to FMF.
I was looking to engage in discussions about "delusion" with practitioners of various spiritual traditions rather than read canned defintions from various websites. Quite frankly, I've yet to find any definitions that wouldn't seemingly require the p ...[text shortened]... reality. I was hoping that a discussion might shed some light on why that may not be true.
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Originally posted by RJHindsThat's what I told sonhouse. Except I forgot to mention God sent the delusion after all.
The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong [b]delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all ...[text shortened]... s something that appears to be the truth, but is actually a lie, like evolution for the atheist.[/b]