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@kellyjay saidCan you explain why?
I didn’t think the video criticism you gave was just either.
@kellyjay saidCan you explain why?
I didn’t think the video criticism you gave was just either.
@stellspalfie saidYou were accusing it of being something more than a hypothetical display thereby saying these people didn't know what they were talking about. You do something similar and act as if you did nothing wrong.
Can you explain why?
@kellyjay saidDid you understand what I was saying?
You were accusing it of being something more than a hypothetical display thereby saying these people didn't know what they were talking about. You do something similar and act as if you did nothing wrong.
@stellspalfie saidYou understand what I was saying?
Did you understand what I was saying?
@kellyjay saidNot in your last 4 or 5 posts.
You understand what I was saying?
@stellspalfie saidYou made claims about them forming, which you didn't go into details. You did not say how this process started in the first place. You cannot have a process of overcoming such odds without directions guiding the procedure. So, you want to suggest the odds are overcome by what, some sort of design? Was this natural process that started creating specific proteins in the beginning of life from non-life, the very first thing that happen at abio-genesis? Seems to me that all you are doing is looking at current known processes, an attributing them to the beginning, but suggesting these things were still true going back in time to the very beginning. You are doing this without saying why or how, you are long on dissent when things don't agree with your world view, and you are most short of details when explaining how you thinks done at the beginning. Please notice this threads title, we are not talking about how proteins are made now!
Not in your last 4 or 5 posts.
Did you understand why I gave you the example of magnets?
@kellyjay saidAll I am claiming is that the science in your video is wrong. I have provided you with the reasons why it is wrong.
You made claims about them forming, which you didn't go into details. You did not say how this process started in the first place. You cannot have a process of overcoming such odds without directions guiding the procedure. So, you want to suggest the odds are overcome by what, some sort of design? Was this natural process that started creating specific proteins in the beginn ...[text shortened]... the beginning. Please notice this threads title, we are not talking about how proteins are made now!
@stellspalfie saidYou think that the structure is being misrepresented so that when they say there are left handed and right handed amino acids they are in error, and that only left handed acids connected to left handed acids are in life is an error? This being the reason for saying part of the odds are 1/2 when looking at a proteins structure?
All I am claiming is that the science in your video is wrong. I have provided you with the reasons why it is wrong.
There is obviously lots of debates to be had about the beginning of organic material on Earth, we can have that debate if you wish.
But the fact that the science in your Origin video is bogus will always remain true - and that is the main crux of my argument.
@kellyjay saidI'm telling you stuff...you just aint listening.
You think that the structure is being misrepresented so that when they say there are left handed and right handed amino acids they are in error, and that only left handed acids connected to left handed acids are in life is an error? This being the reason for saying part of the odds are 1/2 when looking at a proteins structure?
You have issues with what? So far you’re not ...[text shortened]... aratus, saying how at the beginning this did it.
You say it’s wrong without saying what is right!
@stellspalfie saidI don’t care how you suggest that are put together today! At the beginning what mechanism did it, what directed the process if it wasn’t random when life first formed, if proteins were not at the beginning what formed them if not an undirected natural process when they did appear? You have to have an explanation for saying something is wrong, what is right?
I'm telling you stuff...you just aint listening.
For example, the probability calculation in your video is based on RANDOMLY forming proteins....proteins do not form randomly.
Do you accept my point or have an issue with it? If so why?
@kellyjay saidSo you don't care if the science in your video is right or wrong.
I don’t care how you suggest that are put together today! At the beginning what mechanism did it, what directed the process if it wasn’t random when life first formed, if proteins were not at the beginning what formed them if not an undirected natural process when they did appear? You have to have an explanation for saying something is wrong, what is right?
@stellspalfie saidYou can not tell me it is wrong if you don’t know what is right!
So you don't care if the science in your video is right or wrong.
@kellyjay saidThat statement is borderline nuts, but I'll play along.
You can not tell me it is wrong if you don’t know what is right!
@stellspalfie saidI am not begging you to believe anything out of time and space! You are also not playing along because you have again criticized without supporting your views. The only thing I have said is given the properties of a protein considering the placement of the variables here are the odds.
That statement is borderline nuts, but I'll play along.
How can the men in the video (and yourself) know what is right, if you don't know what is wrong.
@kellyjay saidI've explained several times why the probability calculated in the video is wrong.
I am not begging you to believe anything out of time and space! You are also not playing along because you have again criticized without supporting your views. The only thing I have said is given the properties of a protein considering the placement of the variables here are the odds.
The odds are the same no matter how it is put together. The odds of a coin flip is 1/2, ...[text shortened]... ing my questions for your reasoning makes me wonder if you have any idea what you are talking about!