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Originally posted by @sonship

You are blind or simply a liar.

Ad hom, but no effective rebuttal yet.

[quote]
It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen[c] away, to be brough ...[text shortened]... means BY NO MEANS ... PERISH FOREVER.

So being NEAR a curse must be a temporary punishment.

The ones who fall away are the worthless burned up.

Originally posted by @eladar
The ones who fall away are the worthless burned up.

That would BE CURSED. That would not be "NEAR a curse."

What does it SAY - "cursed" or "near a curse" ?

Originally posted by @sonship

You are blind or simply a liar.

Ad hom, but no effective rebuttal yet.

[quote]
It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen[c] away, to be brough ...[text shortened]... means BY NO MEANS ... PERISH FOREVER.

So being NEAR a curse must be a temporary punishment.

What version says this:

"And I give to them eternal life, and they shall by no means perish FOREVER , and no one shall snatch them out of My hand." (John 10:28)

This appears to be a fabrication of yours.

No version adds in that word 'forever'

Originally posted by @rajk999
What version says this:

"And I give to them eternal life, and they shall by no means perish FOREVER , and no one shall snatch them out of My hand." (John 10:28)

This appears to be a fabrication of yours.

No version adds in that word 'forever'

Oh .. thats the recovery version. The version written by Witness Lee.
I got it. Witless Lees motto :
When the Bible does not support your doctrine, rewrite the Bible
I see. makes sense. Carry on.

Originally posted by @rajk999

John 10:28 Some English renderings:

Holman Christian Standard Bible
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish--ever! No one will snatch them out of My hand.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And I give them life everlasting; and they shall not perish for ever, and no man shall pluck them out of my hand.

Weymouth New Testament
I give them the Life of the Ages, and they shall never, never perish, nor shall any one wrest them from my hand.

Young's Literal Translation
and life age-during I give to them, and they shall not perish -- to the age, and no one shall pluck them out of my hand;

Recovery Version
And I give to them eternal life, and they shall by no means perish forever, and no one shall snatch them out of My hand."

If they perish forever then obviously Christ did not give them "ETERNAL life"

Originally posted by @sonship
That would BE CURSED. That would not be [b]"NEAR a curse."

What does it SAY - "cursed" or "near a curse" ?[/b]

Funny how you believe new groups are inserted without ever being explained.

Originally posted by @sonship
[b] John 10:28 Some English renderings:

[quote] Holman Christian Standard Bible
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish--ever! No one will snatch them out of My hand.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And I give them life everlasting; and they shall not perish for ever, and no man shall pluck them out of my ...[text shortened]... uote]


If they perish forever then obviously Christ did not give them "ETERNAL life" [/b]

Still a firm believer in self proclaimed salvation prior to God's judgment.

Originally posted by @eladar
Still a firm believer in self proclaimed salvation prior to God's judgment.

You are changing subjects on me.

A good confession is not self proclaiming salvation without actually BEING saved.

A good confession is taking God at His word.

"For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not of yourselves, it is the gift of God." (Eph. 2:8)

Taking God's word says -

By grace I have been saved through faith, not of my works. It is the gift of God.

That is to stand on God's word.

To rebel is to say "it is the LOAN of God which He may revoke at any time."

Humility believes God's word if in fact you have RECEIVED the Lord and Savior and His GIFT.

A LOAN is temporary.
The GIFT is forever.

Originally posted by @sonship
[b] John 10:28 Some English renderings:

[quote] Holman Christian Standard Bible
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish--ever! No one will snatch them out of My hand.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And I give them life everlasting; and they shall not perish for ever, and no man shall pluck them out of my ...[text shortened]... uote]


If they perish forever then obviously Christ did not give them "ETERNAL life" [/b]

John 10 28 refers to the sheep of Christ.
Sheep follow Christ
They hear his voice
All Chrsitians are not sheep.

Originally posted by @rajk999

All Chrsitians are not sheep.

Prove that.

And Matthew 25:31-46 won't.
There the sheep are the nations - "the sheep of His pasture" (Psalm 100:3)

All of us on earth - It is He that has made us and not we ourselves. We are His people and the SHEEP of His pasture.

In your next post prove that some believers in Jesus are not the sheep of Jesus.

Originally posted by @sonship

All Chrsitians are not sheep.

Prove that.

And [b]Matthew 25:31-46 won't.
There the sheep are the nations - "the sheep of His pasture" (Psalm 100:3)

All of us on earth - It is He that has made us and not we ourselves. We are His people and the SHEEP of His pasture.

In your next post prove that some believers in Jesus are not the sheep of Jesus.[/b]

Sheep follow Christ.
They hear no other voice.
They follow His commandments.

Originally posted by @eladar
Once Saved Fallen Away

Hebrews 6

4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen[c] away, to be brought back to repentance.



The Bible clearly states there are those who were saved but fell away. They are beyond redemption.

Online Spirituality Fvcked my Ass

Originally posted by @bigdoggproblem
Online Spirituality Fvcked my Ass

Gosh.

Originally posted by @sonship
You are changing subjects on me.

A good confession is not self proclaiming salvation without actually BEING saved.

A good confession is taking God at His word.

[b] "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not of yourselves, it is the gift of God." (Eph. 2:8)

Taking God's word says -

By grace I hav ...[text shortened]... ou have RECEIVED the Lord and Savior and His GIFT.

A LOAN is temporary.
The GIFT is forever.

Your reasoning is circular and without solid foundation.

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
Gosh.

Gawrsh. [FIX'D]